Bart,
I’ve been enjoying your website for a while now.
I like your point of view, and respect it.
I also am impressed by your standing invitation
to debate the neo-nazis. I was wondering if
your invitation was also open to opinions from
further left than yourself.
You betcha - I'm ready...
My position is this - the literal fascism that
currently rules America is every bit as much implemented
and supported by the Democratic Party as it is
by the goddamned Republicans. I’m talking about the
Party “leaders”, candidates and office-holders,
not necessarily the rank and file.
There is "a system in place."
You could catagorize it any of a hundred different
ways, and you just did.
From your first two paragraphs, I'm betting you're
a younger fella.
"Democrats are every bit as fascist..."
sounds like something someone told you.
I bet you can't explain in what ways the Democrats
(leaving out the GOP) are fascists.
This tells me you're all over Ralph Nader,
which is an illogical person to be all over.
Bottom line, John Kerry is every bit as sold-out
as GWB. In my opinion, Kerry is one sorry sack who
can only look marginally good when compared to
the American Caligula, and that’s pretty damn sorry.
You just said Kerry was the better man/choice
and I agree - so why cast a vote that helps Bush?
Why vote against your own interests - because
Ralph told you to?
Does Ralph ever say, "Vote
your wallet?"
Does Ralph ever say, "Vote
your conscience?"
Does Ralph ever say, "Vote
to stop the invasions, rapes, murders and thefts?"
Or does Ralph just say, "Vote
for me?"
You might be a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.
I say that only an idiot, an asshole or a multi-millionaire
would vote Republican,
and only an idiot or a multi-millionaire would
vote Democrat.
So 96 percent of America is wrong about politics?
You act like the 4 percent (Ralph's people) have
some stranglehold on normalcy.
Guess what?
Having 4 percent makes you extreme by
definition.
24 out of 25 Americans reject your brand of politics.
How will you find your way back to the real world?
Now, you’re obviously not an idiot, and I doubt
you live in a gated community and drive a Hummer
to the country club, so either (A) my theory
about the Demo’s or (B) your support of Kerry, is mistaken.
As the Rastas say, “Let’s reason!”
Your theory about the Democrats is mistaken.
Non-Republican does not mean “good”.
In fact, in many measurable ways, Clinton left
us worse off than Bush the First.
( Don’t get me wrong, I detest the Bush crime
family, I’m just stating the facts.)
ha ha
The facts?
Worse off?
Worse off?
Worse off?
Bush starts war in 1991 for no reason, hundreds of Americans killed
Clinton stops genocide in Europe, no Americans killed
I'm not sure Ralph has told you the complete story.
I think you've been taken in by a disheleved and creepy con man.
The point is that the Dems are controlled by
the same masters as the Repubs, and are selling us out every bit
as much. The Dems are just fascists with better
manners, and have no right to call themselves in any way progressive.
They’re screwing us every way the Repubs are,
and just as hard. John Kerry especially and specifically.
For a moment, let's assume Ralph is right.
The Democrats are bad, but the
GOP is twice as bad.
So why give twice as bad four more
years to rape, murder and invade?
As far as "Dems are screwing us every way the
Repubs are," that's horseshit.
That's what somebody told you, but it's not the truth.
Instead of wasting a ton of time, consider just the war and
the missing $11 trillion dollars.
Now, to specifics -My question to you is, in what way is Kerry different than Bush?
Compared to Bush at midnight, Kerry is sunshine
at high noon.
Bush is so much worse than Bush the Smarter,
Reagan or Nixon COMBINED.
Bush is the mother of all disaster monkeys.
Bush giggles when he murders people, so yeah,
he's worse than Kerry.
The BFEE had to pardon their last global crime
spree to keep the truth hidden.
Kerry's biggest crime is that he speaks French.
I’ll wager Chinaco against Herradura Reposada
that I can name more ways
that Kerry is the same than you can name ways
he’s different than Bush.
I suggest you not wager your money on politics.
But assuming you could "name
more ways," how does that justify your
helping Bush?
Right after you explain, "...but
Bush is worse," you run off to help "worse"
get elected
That's not logical.
And think about that - "the worst President in
American history", “Caligula”, an asshole
and an idiot, and a multi-millionaire... and
you can hardly tell Kerry apart. Bush and Kerry
work for the same bosses, and off the same plan.
Same shit, different pile.
However you slice it, you're closer to Kerry than
Bush - but you're helping Bush.
You say the system is screwed? Fine, maybe
I agree, but why elect Bush to prove a point?
Maybe you're a crusty, 95 year-old WWI Vet, ...but
...I'm guessing you're a young man
who went to a Nader Rally and everything you
heard sounded true, and that's not all bad.
But Nader's not supporting "the regular guy"
any more than CNN and FOX are supporting
your right to know the truth about what your
government is really up to.
Everyone and everything you and I have talked
about is based on money.
This is America.
The reason 2004 is not all about Bush vs BartCop
is I can't get millions of people to send me
money the way Kerry can. And as long as
we live in the real world we have to seperate what
we want from what we can have ...and that might
require you to let go of your Nader fetish.
Nader is the "Backstreet Boys" of politics. He's
Ashley Simpson.
You might start out listening to him, ...before
you know better.
Soon, you'll write and say, "Bart,
you were right. I outgrew Nader."
Either one will take us to the same place, modern
feudalism, where the vast majority live
in ever more desperate squalor while the ruling
class has armies of bodyguards and fly
private helicopters to fortified castles where
ice statues piss champagne.
That's pure poppycock.
That's not you talking.
That's something you memorized, or copied and
pasted.
You sound like a Kerry speech. (not a compliment)
Whose words were those?
Who told you to say that?
Where do you see "the same,"...here?
Who told you being 4 trillion behind was the same as being 2.5 trillion ahead?
Do you see "the same,"...here?
Who told you creating 22 millions jobs was the same as losing 2 million jobs?
You're staring at the sun saying, "It's not
all that bright."
Whoever laid this "all the same" crappola on you needs to meet me in
the live chat room.
You have been misled, and I bet I can pin your Sensei
in under three minutes.
Can’t you feel it coming, Brother?
Kerry's already been bringin' it on, and he's
already drinking that champagne.
???
Supporting the current major parties ( i.e., their
candidates ) is a wasteful and
counter-productive exercise in futility. Like
voting in Mexico.
Dude, Nader can't win!
How does losing with honor make you a winner?
Anyone who would actually make any change to the
system or the plan,
would not only never, ever be allowed to be a
candidate, they would be killed. Just like in Mexico.
What do you really think happened to Paul Wellstone,
anyway?
Nobody knows.
But I know evil men will kill to steal hundreds
of billions of dollars and control the world.
( I knew Paul Wellstone, and he knew me, and he
was the only good thing I ever had to say about the
Democratic Party. It’s no accident that we aren’t
hearing from him this election.)
Suddenly, you're making sense.
Are you a victim of multiple personality disorder?
So, what’s the answer? Nader? No, but it’s a start.
ha ha
It's a start if electing Bush is your goal.
He’s not in the pocket of the ruling class, and
he’s talking about the most vital and basic issues that the
Democrats and Republicans refuse to even address.
And if Kerry won’t even talk about it, he damn sure
won’t be doing anything about it. The first step
is to get people talking, to get them thinking. Nader recently
published a list of 12 key issues the Dems would
not even mention at their convention.
Hey, screw Nader.
Let's talk about the money.
Kerry is "in the pocket" of the unions, the teachers, the trial lawyers and the working class.
Shame, shame on him.
Bush is "in the pocket" of BIG oil, which
has killed almost a thousand soldiers so far,
Bush is "in the pocket" of BIG tobacco,
which kills almost 500,000 people every year.
Bush is "in the pocket" of BIG guns, which
kill
(guessing) 14,000 a year,
Bush is "in the pocket" of BIG religion,
which steals their victim's soul, money and sanity.
Use your head, boy - it ain't the same.
Your boy Ralph couldn't whip my chat-room ass
on his best day ever.
I have the truth on my side, and he's giving
you a sandpaper handjob.
12 things that the Democrats wouldn't discuss
at the convention in Boston: a crackdown on corporate crime,
paying workers a living wage, withdrawal
from GATT and NAFTA, revamping the income tax system,
adoption of a single-payer health-care
system, standing up to commercial energy interests, cutting the military
budget, electoral reform, overhauling
the criminal justice system, supporting a just two-state accord between
Israel and the Palestinians, advocating
a complete U.S. military and commercial withdrawal from Iraq and
battling the so-called "tort reform"
movement.
The guy who got three percent last time has no business advising the party that won the popular vote.
Dude, what you're doing is saying, "The
reason I'm voting for Bush is..."
We don't care
what your reason is.
We just want you to stop giving your car keys
to the drunk monkey.
So, Brother, what’s your man Kerry’s positions
on these issues, and how do they differ from Bush?
What’s your position, and is it closer to Kerry’s
or Ralph’s?
ha ha
Dude, you'd rather be right and lose than be
wrong and win.
I don’t look at Nader as a “spoiler”, he’s the
only guy on the ballot who’s not talking bullshit distractions out
of both sides of his mouth. So I advocate the
plan endorsed by Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn; in “safe” states,
where there is already a clear majority for one
party or the other, progressives should vote for Nader, not for the man,
but as an expression of support for the issues
the major parties ignore. In a “contested” state, which could go either
way,
a vote for Kerry is the only responsible thing
to do.
Cool, that way Nader can be a spoiler in 2008,
too.
I'll bet Jeb will send him flowers.
Maybe Rove will buy him a car.
We really do need to get that asshole Bush off the trigger, if we can.
So stop voting for him, and insist your misguided
friends stop, too.
But Oklahoma is a “safe” state, Bart, sure to shame itself again by giving Bush its electoral votes.
That's truer than true f-ing North.
In OK, why waste a vote on Kerry, which cannot
help him get elected, and is really just a vote for the same old shit,
when you can vote for a truly independent and
progressive candidate's issues? That’s my question to you.
Why vote for good when I have the option to vote
for more of this?
Dude, this ugly picture?
That's what a vote for Nader means.
I'm asking you to say "no" to that.
Please don't give the Giggling Murderer four more years.
As for the wager about whether Bush and Kerry
have more differences or similarities,
I'll give you 2 to 1, not odds, but similarities
for every difference.
What say ye?
Max Respect
I say ye don't know how to frame a bet.
Kerry is taller than Ralph, one for me.
They have different wives, two for me.
They live in different states, three for me.
They live in different cities, four for me.
One can beat Bush, the other cannot, five for
me.
One is a war hero, one is an Ego-grump, that's
six.
You should learn to frame a bet before you get your wallet out.