bartcop:
fuck - it's on yahoo news
Smirk OK's secret trials for SUSPECTS
you're guilty, so there's no need for the 6th amendment

  quirk:
bc you might wanna read that link to my rant on it

 http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/message?forumid=82850&messageid=1005706753

  bartcop:
Christ, I'm stunned
That means they can put me on trial and say "GUILTY" without having reporters there

  bartcop:
I had a bad dentist day, and his pills were shit so I'm drinking
looks like I picked the perfect night

  XeroMan(A):
Howdy Julie

  quirk:
hi julie

  marthaguag:
hi Julie

  vonrex:
so what's the extent of this law? They can use it domestically as well?
I haven't read anywhere about in what situations, specifically, it applies.

  quirk:
rex that answer your question

  jhs33:
hi, sorry i am late...i could not get aol to cooperate

  marthaguag:
at times, aol stands for Ain't On Line

  quirk:
rex they haven't defined terrorists beyond hacker and that they didn't define much either

  jhs33:
they can always use these outrageous laws, domestically

  bartcop:
Welcome to the Bush Family Evil Empire's view of America's future
Martial law, and Ashcroft is the Marshall

  vonrex:
yeah, this is so blatant. If a Democrat did it, everyone would be loading their weapons by now.

  marthaguag:
invest in crisco

  bartcop:
Somebody tell me to calm down...

  vonrex:
Isn't this everything the right supposedly fears?

  XeroMan(A):
Calm down BC

  jhs33:
do not calm down!

  bartcop:
Von, they don't know Bush will screw them too
They aren't grabbing power so they can share it with hundreds of others

  bartcop:
You don't corner the market on GOLD for no reason

  jhs33:
can you say police state?

  bartcop:
We have chaos coming
$14 gasoline and suspension of all rights
He who owns the gold...

  XeroMan(A):
Cry HAvoc, and let slip the dogs of war!!!

  theoectomy:
you know those fuckers too well, julie

  vonrex:
I must not understand the subtleties of politics as well as I think, because I can't imagine being a congressman and not openly denouncing Bush as an enemy of the republic at this point. Politeness be damned.

  bartcop:
gold is what, 285? Could be 2500 by spring
 

  jhs33:
we need to get the Democrats organized and get a clear, unified mesage.
they work for us, they need to fight for us or be replaced

  quirk:
the arrest warrents to force them to vote. think they wouldn't do it to the national fed elected dems?

  abgdinstr:
howdy all

  quirk:
looks like we might have to uphold that oath to protecty and defend the constitution

  jhs33:
what is left of it!

  bartcop:
We should buy guns to beat the suspension of the 2nd amendment

  XeroMan(A):
BLAME CANADA!

  bartcop:
I've warned of this for years - when the shit hits, THEY own all the guns

  quirk:
i'm already very well armed. i won't go without a hell of a fight.

  jhs33:
i thought about canada the other day, but it is OUR constitution, we don't need
a third party either, we need democrats who will fight for our rights

  bartcop:
When they kick at your front door, how you gonna come?

  jhs33:
like before, screaming at the top of my voice

  quirk:
fweepers don't realize there are a lotof very well armed dems

  abgdinstr:
hang on julie we are gonna win

  bartcop:
julie, we'll grow you a big microphone

  jhs33:
i know, but not w/o a clear mesage and we have not had one

  vonrex:
julie, yeah. And it's a lot harder to emigrate to Canada than people think, anyway. I married an American,
and found it was far easier for me to get in here than it would have been for her to get in there. And this
country is where the future will be decided, anyway.

  bartcop:
Julie, Bush is handing us a lot of ammunition
I don't know why people don't understand that some very dishonest people are in charge and dismantling the constitution
Koresh, for a man on pain pills & whisky, I'm typing great

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  quirk:
julie i was paranoid before everything. it only got worse

  bartcop:
Julie is right to be paranoid
Thanks Koresh I'm on pills or I'd be a basketcase right now

  abgdinstr:
just because we are all paranoid dont mean they aint out to get us

  bartcop:
Check the headline: Bush AGREES to secret trials, like they had to twist his goddamn arm

  MarionDelgado:
the funny thing is, as president and public figure he wasn't half as evil as reagan.
but the family is definitely e-vil

  MichaelPullmann:
bc- you see the "terrorists can be tried by military" story?

  unterhausen:
bush AGREES to be dictator

  bartcop:
MP, secret trials, that's tonight's bartcop.com chat
remember, he said it would be easier this way - remember?
he said it 2-3 times

  MarionDelgado:
as long as ahm the dick-tater

  vonrex:
yeah, he got his limits to freedom

  bartcop:
Julie, hard to own a gun with an 11-year old in the house, right?
Or do you Virginia gals know something about a lock, stock & barrel?

  jhs33:
i do not want or need one, i have a voice that is bigger than i am

  MichaelPullmann:
fuck it, i'll buy a sword

  XeroMan(A):
I've GOT a sword already.

  bartcop:
Do you think we can get some Repubs to join us? SURELY some of them liked the Constitution, right?

  XeroMan(A):
No BC.

  bartcop:
anyone copying this? I had a crash... Gates....

  vonrex:
bartcop, yeah, I do. There's a lot of old style, libertarian type conservatives that must be appalled at this.
They're relishing the power grab now, but there's limits

  unterhausen:
bart, what is it that the afghans were supposed to do to the taliban guys? we may need to start practicing
was it ice picks in the back?

  bartcop:
ha ha, fork in the neck, front is better than side
side works, tho...

  quirk:
my birth father, a number of uncles and assorted other ancestors died defending that constitution. looks like itcould be my turn

  bartcop:
that, and educate the women...

  unterhausen:
maybe the afghans don't use forks

  bartcop:
chop sticks, WTF

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  jhs33:
Bush starts talking nuclear, and talking united parties standing together,
he does not say so but it looks like treason to argue

  bartcop:
no, he talks nu-cu-ler
blacks, gays, liberals, teachers... THOSE are the real terrorists

  jhs33:
I told the truth, that was all

  bartcop:
Julie, why did you do it?
Do you remember the moment when you decided to fight the government?
How did you come to your decision?

  bartcop:
seriously...
What made you decide to gamble it all?

  jhs33:
i did it because it was simply the right thing and because it matters to me.
i have always said that i can handle almost anything, just do not lie to me.
tell me the truth and we will figure it out. it is how i feel and i am not aftraid if truth is on my side

  Demgirl:
jhs you were very brave, not many would have done it

  bartcop:
Julie, that was cool...
Do you remember anything about the moment when you made your decision that
you could share with us? And it's OK if the answer is no

  jhs33:
i did not see it as brave, just necessary..I also am totally intolerant of abuse of others.
no big moment, no decision, i would never have lied, it was not even a choice

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  bartcop:
Q, the first fewtimes I came to this forum I couldn't get anyone to talk to me
it was weird, being shunned in the bartcop chat room

  XeroMan(A):
no way BC

  MarionDelgado:
ha ha its true
we assumed you were busy bart

  abgdinstr(FTW):
well you are intimidating bart

  MarionDelgado:
:)_

  XeroMan(A):
Maybe they thought you were a fake.

  bartcop:
swear to koresh

  abgdinstr(FTW):
you intimidate me bart OK

  mdogdrum():
Hey BC, kinda makes feel like an ex Amish, LOL
 
 
 
 

  MichaelPullmann:
so, if bush officially declares war on the US people, are our canadian neighbors gonna help us out?

  XeroMan(A):
I was talking about the Canadian Military more specifically.

  americanstranger:
agree, marion. the question becomes whether we can blow everybdy up 15 times or 20 times. what's the difference?

  jhs33:
no need to cut, remember the "surplus"

  mdogdrum():
So BC, make sure I have this right. juliehiattsteele@bartcop.com, right?

  bartcop:
yes!

  MarionDelgado:
ha ha julie, that will be the american catchphrase of the 2000s!

  abgdinstr(FTW):
the surplus has been gone Julie.....

  MarionDelgado:
"remember the 'surplus?'"

  bartcop:
Bush gave it away to the oil companies
they were needy, with 400 percent profits

  MichaelPullmann:
that surplus vanished faster than a bottle of Chicano in front of the bush girls

  bartcop:
MP, ha ha

  americanstranger:
after the gleam wears off the New War, people will begin to notice the ditch we're in.
all the spin in the world won't help smirk then.

  jhs33:
you won't need a gun if we demand that our legislators work FOR us or send them home, we forget that it is our call

  abgdinstr(FTW):
well said Juile

  MichaelPullmann:
bc- you know how much tropical islands are going for in this market? they NEEDED that money!

  bartcop:
President Gas and VP Oil

  MichaelPullmann:
more like Presidnet Gump and VP Nosferatu

  americanstranger:
gotta hope, xero. people just can't be this stupid or blind. can they?

  bartcop:
Julie is right, people in the street will stop Bush, not guns

  XeroMan(A):
I hope the people get over this perverted love affair they have with smirk.

  americanstranger:
i don't know if it's a love affair. i think it's because he's all we've got and ppl really want to believe in their prez.

  MarionDelgado:
actually i never thought that much of clinton, but the contrast between him and bush shows that even
when you think somone is not making much of a positive difference, in an entropic world, they are

  XeroMan(A):
Most people beleive what they see on TV

  mdogdrum():
I just wish Malloy was on more Air broadcast stationss. When my band plays on Mitch Albom show,
I bitch and moan to them because they have Dusche Limbaugh and Dr. Nazi in mornings

  bartcop:
We need to program the kids to honesty, and to resist Rove, so maybe in 15 years, we have a constitution again

  jhs33:
there never was a surplus, no love affair, they are scared to speak out what with our new
embracing each other and flags on their cars

  MichaelPullmann:
the only domestic terrorists we have... are in the White House

  americanstranger:
i shudder to think of tanks in the streets, but smirk seems to be heading in that direction.

  unterhausen:
they'll have to get them here from the south

  MarionDelgado:
abgd they go kinda fast

  mooseandsquirrel:
the Army of God are not terraists?

  americanstranger:
it's like a flashback from the 60s, only worse.

  jhs33:
i have the entire atlantic fleet on one side of me and sharks on the other

  bartcop:
ha ha, Julie is protected
In the 60's we still had a constitution... well, the white people did...

  abgdinstr(FTW):
some white people did

  XeroMan(A):
I think the Army would be seriously f**ked if they had to do urban combat with citizens.

  americanstranger:
i wonder how many of the military would stand for it.

  vonrex:
If the government comes for you, you're fucked. Look at Koresh, even with his aresenal, compound,
and scores of fanatics, he got smoked. But arming yourself against individual crazies on the other side
(AKA Freepers) is not a bad idea.

  mooseandsquirrel:
MichaelPullmann, there are a whole lot of extremists out here who think the Bush family is Satanic

  MichaelPullmann:
unter- what was she charged with?

  bartcop:
von, if Bush suspends the first amendment, I'm launching

  quirk:
i think a lot of the enisted military would revolt. many officers won't

  jhs33:
not true, if the Govt comes after you you have to fight as hard as possible and as long

  MarionDelgado:
at what point would americans be willing to die at that ratio to beat their own military again?

  XeroMan(A):
No way, if it gets to the point that Bush needs the military to stay in power, he'll be gone.

  unterhausen:
they'll have death squads first

  abgdinstr(FTW):
The miliary will not fire on our people

  MarionDelgado:
i think there's a certain slack in things like hacking, false IDs, etc.

  unterhausen:
much more effective than decapitating starting at the ankles

  jhs33:
he will not need the military, it is about manipulating fear

  Chowlie:
the military have fired on our people before...
 

  bartcop:
Julie, have you thought about how you'll be portrayed in the history books?
I know it depends on the author, but what impression will a schoolkid of 2050 have of you - do you think?

  XeroMan(A):
Exaclty Julie. The US will not become a military dictatorship...only a corporate one.

  MarionDelgado:
bart, if more bad news for bush looms, and another plane mysteriously blows up, i will start to think al gore was right

  bartcop:
JHS - heroine, fought Ken Starr and led the revolution of 2002!!!!!

  mooseandsquirrel:
I'll speak out of turn and say that JHS is going to be seen as someone who maintained human dignity
when nobody else wanted too

  mooseandsquirrel:
Assuming we can teach in 2052

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  XeroMan(A):
Well Julie, we're all like that on here, but the majority of people I chat with on YAhoo LOVE smirk.
They can't explain why, they just do.

  abgdinstr(FTW):
because he aint clinton xero thats why

  americanstranger:
They love smirk because their TVs tell them to.

  MichaelPullmann:
xero- people on yahoo chat are too stupid to find a real chat room

  jhs33:
treason, unamerican at least. it is part of the plan

  vonrex:
I can't even answer the question of his popularity anymore. Everyone I know fits on a spectrum
from hatred to distrust when it comes to Bush. It's not a representivtive sample of the population,
but still, it's hard for me to believe that my social circle is THAT narrow.

  jhs33:
that is just my point. they believe what the repubs say about Clinton and the Dems
should have driven the truth home in the 2000 election

  americanstranger:
After 9/11, he was 'the right man for the job'. they ALL said that. it was freakin' spooky.

  GlennMac:
It doesn't really matter what the Democrats do. The republicans have no interest in discussing policy,
beyond what will help their sphere of friends

  jhs33:
money to state dept and kids in Af???

  MichaelPullmann:
bush isn't the right man for any job

  bartcop:
How do you get 45 senate democrats to sit up and beg

  mdogdrum():
No, this is fund that was set up in 1984, supposedly money goes to turning in terrorist. It was NPR at like 5 today

  jhs33:
bush is a boy and thankfully not doing the job, front man

  vonrex:
It was like it was beyond Gore's ability to imagine to just call Bush out and say exactly why he's a liar and a scoundrel.

  bartcop:
von GREAT POINT! Dems cave at the first sign of resistance

  quirk:
that wasn't my line. i stole it from somebody else causei thought it was great

  bartcop:
von is right
Pink tutu democrats

  americanstranger:
how do we change that, bc? von? anybody????

  GlennMac:
we have to fight for them

  vonrex:
Gore let the Repubs tell him how to frame the debate, the level of politeness,
and so on, and actually followed their advice!

  GlennMac:
WE have to become the Carvilles

  mooseandsquirrel:
GlennMac, does that mean we have to marry ugly Republicans?

  jhs33:
remember this, people will treat you as you allow them. we do not have to be forced into submision

  americanstranger:
where the F is Carville anyway??

  mdogdrum():
Hey BC, she does have nice eyes pal

  GlennMac:
To be honest..we have to become the rapid response team that won it for Clinton in 92

  americanstranger:
I miss Carville.

  mooseandsquirrel:
I'd like to have a drink with James Carville and learn something

  jhs33:
carville was a clinton defender and Starr hater more than a democrat alone

  jhs33:
i want to met carville, more than that, i want to meet clinton!

  Grannyc:
Hi x. I just read Bush's newest directive. MILITARY LAW!

  MichaelPullmann:
dmes need to learn a fine line between dignity and being a pussy

  americanstranger:
yes, granny. is that chutzpah or what??
 

  XeroMan:
Indeed Granny.Welcome to the New Order.

  vonrex:
Rove isn't the only one who's studied propaganda techniques. This has to stop being
a debating society and start being a culture war. We're already so far behind.

  americanstranger:
are there any left, Glenn?

  XeroMan:
Greg Palast is COOL!

  Grannyc:
CHUTZPAH!!!! Where are the screaming pundants.

  Grannyc:
I thought these right wingers wanted LESS GOVERNMENT?

  MichaelPullmann:
why the hell is Bush going on vacation NOW, anyway?

  marthaguag:
so he can show putin the ranch & so some more soul-glazing

  XeroMan:
WHAT!! Bush is going on a vacation!!!!!!

  brew:
Glenn is right. If we want to have an impact, we have to infiltrate the media. One of the greatest
accomplishments of the Right was making the press gun shy about being "liberal" If we are going
to seize the initiative back, we have to make them gun shy about being seen as being apologists
for the right. The way to do that is with faxes, phone calls, and letters. Emails and web pages won't cut it.

  Grannyc:
They are so gun shy about being liberal... You are so correct.

  MarionDelgado:
Cheney is not going anywhere, the nation is secure

  MichaelPullmann:
little creep's playing game boy in crawford right now

  americanstranger:
not a vacation - a romantic long weekend w/vlad.

  MarionDelgado:
its in the contract bush signed with the bin ladens and haliburton

  MarionDelgado:
he gets every other month off

  americanstranger:
smirk's gonna show vlad 'where he lives'.

  marthaguag:
he's been hunting on the weekends

  vonrex:
Yeah, where's all the armed, crazy, right-wing "less gubmint" types when you really need them?

  MarionDelgado:
brew i hate them with a passion