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 Quotes

"So, Wesley Clark is running for president.   Pretty amazing guy. Four star general, first in his class
  at West Point, supreme commander of NATO, saw combat in Vietnam, won the bronze star, silver star,
  the purple heart for being wounded in battle. See, I'm no political expert, but that sounds pretty good
  next to choking on a pretzel, falling off a scooter and dropping the dog."
     -- Leno


 Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President
   Max Cleland blasts Bush's arrogance and ignorance

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 The war was the war that I, John Kerry, Chuck Hagel and John McCain and 3 1/2 million other Americans
 of our generation were caught up in. It was the scene of America's longest war. It was also the locale of the
 most frustrating outcome of any war this nation has ever fought.

 Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in Iraq never served in Vietnam.
 Not the president. Not the vice president.
 Not the secretary of defense. Not the deputy secretary of defense.
 Too bad. They could have learned some lessons.

 Instead of learning the lessons of Vietnam, the president, the vice president, the secretary of defense
 and the deputy secretary of defense have gotten this country into a disaster in the desert.
 They attacked a country that had not attacked us. They did so on intelligence that was faulty,
 misrepresented and highly questionable.   A key piece of that intelligence was an outright lie that the
 White House put into the president's State of the Union speech.



 Quotes

"For a man who has benefited so greatly through legacy and inheritance, President Bush seems determined
  to deprive future generations of Americans of their own....Bush and his neocon cronies have set a course
  to undo our legacy. Bush is raiding the corpus of the trust and by the time he's finished, all principal - and
  principles - will have been depleted. Bush got to be a rich, successful man thanks to his family connections.
  All along the way, from his admission to Andover and Yale, to the rescue of his foundering oil business, to the
  Texas Rangers deal, to his move into politics, Bush was able to rely on paisans to come out ahead. Now it is
  payback and he's protecting his own...In the best traditions of a banana republic, Bush is actively concentrating
  power and wealth. Friends-of-Bill walked away with nothing compared with the Friends-of-Bush. They are being
  given everything they want on a platter - silver of course - and the spoils include what has been promised to you,
  me and future generations of Americans."
     --Robyn E. Blumner, Giving away the store
 
 


"Jesus told me I could keep all I can steal..."


 Dixie Chicks tell Country Music to pound sand

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 The Dixie Chicks say they don't want to be a country music band any more.
 Violinist Martie Maguire told Spiegel magazine: "We don't feel part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home any more."
 She said she was disappointed other country singers didn't back up the Dixie Chicks in their criticism of Bush's politics on Iraq.

"A few weeks ago, Merle Haggard said a couple of nice words about us, but that was it," Maguire complained.
"The support we got came from others, like Bruce Springsteen."

 Going home empty-handed from the Country Awards ceremony also made them decide to break with the scene, Maguire said.
"Instead, we won three Grammys against much stronger competition.
"So we now consider ourselves part of the big Rock 'n' Roll family."


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 After the vulgar Pigboy made a point about football last Sunday on ESPN,
 Steve Young (R-Rich) countered, "That's about as logical as a Democrat
 voting for less government, to which the Pigboy, having been told to keep
 politics out of football replied, "The gauntlet has been thrown."
 

 So, the athletes (and Pigboy) who were talented enough to become super-rich,
 which forces them to turn Republican becayuse they can't survive on $10M a year
 have decided to turn Sunday afternoons into Sunday mornings.

 The non-stop, ultra-vicious hatred that Pigboy used calling Chelsea Clinton, "the White House dog,"
 will now become part of America's football-viewing experience, thanks to Disney and ABC.

 You see, Disney wants Bush's $5,000,000,000 bribe in their corporate bank account,
 so they'll lean their football to the hard right. If you don't like it, you can go to straight to hell.
 
 


 "There's too many niggers in football, anyway."


 Subject: Alright, so you're an Arab hating, little prick

 ...who uses his website to get in the last foolish word, then sticks his scaly, little head up his ass and hides.
 And you're the one who's always wanting to debate people?  What a joke, you yellow fuck.
 I'm absolutely suuure no one notices you "debate" like O'Reilly with his mute button.

 Well, I get as much satisfaction seeing your tail between your legs as I would
 kicking your phony ass even further up into that empty brain cavity.

 Pete
 

 Pete, have we debated before?

 Click  Here  to read Pete's hundred page opus on the Middle East



 Quotes

"Democracy itself is at stake in this election. The extreme right wing has shown nothing but contempt
  for democracy.  Once again, we stand here in Boston as patriots — and we stand with more than 410,000
  other patriots around this nation who have joined this campaign, and countless millions more who share our values.
  John Ashcroft has drafted a document that has broken down the mutual trust between the American people and
  their government. That is not the act of a patriot."
    --Howard Dean, referring to the Patriot Act   Bush Policies Threaten U.S. Ideals


 Bart,

 I lived in Eagle County (home of Vail and Beaver Creek ski areas), from 1979 to 1991.
 Vail had a police force so LARGE, due to its 'bed-base' of about 35,000 people, that when
 spring came, and the tourists vamoosed homeward (And the seasonal worker drones), that we
 STILL had a force that may have equaled 1 officer for each 200 people.

 Think about that.

 Also, you know the 'pipeline' of I-70 ran through there, and about the time of the Rodney King episode,
 after the Long Beach riots (ex-brother-in-law lived there), there really was an amazing parade of cars that
 traveled through (I drove a taxi, and thus the main business was hoofin' up and down the Interstate between
 the two ski areas), and there were a string of arrests, for 'racial profiling' that prompted a slew of constitutional
 law/lawsuits claiming violations of civil rights for that 'profiling'    (A lot of drugs were taken, some weapons seizures),
 and often one 'laughed' or cried to see the white cops with their Latino or African-American 'captures'.

 Am now out of touch with local affairs there, but the actions and reactions of the 'community' are interesting.

 http://www.vaildaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/search?Category=FRONTPAGE
 (if that link works, it will bring up the stories mentioning 'KOBE')

 More later,
 Drew in Geneva
 

 Drew, thanks for that.
 That's the paper that sued to get the cops to obey the law.
 It's my opiniom they want Kobe REAL bad - whatever it takes..


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 to many questions like, "Why does anything exist?" that the only correct answer is "I don't know."

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 beyond our ability to comprehend. Yet we relentlessly strive to comprehend it anyway.


 Condi knows irony

 I just read this AP story and fell on my butt laughing...

"France and Germany have been pushing for a much quicker handover to
 Iraqis as well as for a larger role for the U-N itself.

 Condi Rice is criticizing any plans to rush the transfer of power, saying it has to come in
"an orderly process." Rice says the French plan would transfer power to what she calls
"an unelected group of people." She says that just wouldn't work."

 Well, I guess she would know!!

 Andy P



 Quotes

"The Patriot Act is homage to George Orwell.
  The Department of Homeland Security is Franz Kafka's newest castle.
  The Department of Justice is run by a dangerously sober Elmer Gantry.
  Guantanamo Bay is a tropical one-stop of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Siberian gulag.
  And whatever goes on in the White House is a cross between Dr. Strangelove and 'Groundhog Day.'"
     --Pierre Tristam, Daytona Beach News-Journal   Attribution


 Subject: Pigboy on ESPN

 I also noticed that the rest of the crew ignored Rush.
 He can hardly get a word in.
 They acted like he didn't really exist or matter.
 

 Perhaps humiliating him every week is the answer we are looking for.
 He's going to make the money anyway, just keep making him look like the unimportant Ass that he is.

 Lisa



 Clintons Anoint Clark
   by Bill Safire (R-Congenital Whore)

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Their candidate is Clark. Either they are for him because (altruistic version) they think Clark would best
 lead the party and country for the next eight years, leaving them applauding on the sidelines, or (Machiavellian
 version) they think his muddy-the-waters candidacy is their ticket back to the White House in 2004 or 2008.

 Which is more like the Clintons?
 

 Two points:
 With the BFEE rampantly raping helpless countries for their own personal enrichment,
 it's just like a punk-on-the-payroll like Safire to accuse the Clinton's of doing something sneaky.

 Also, Clinton would make a great Sec of State in the Clark administration.
 He would be the most valuable and experienced person Clark could ever hope to get.


 This round, Bush really hits the trifecta

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"For the past two years, asked to square oceans of red ink with campaign pledges to balance the budget,
 Bush insists that he left himself three outs: war, economic downtown and national emergency.
"Lucky me. I hit the trifecta."

 It always pisses me off when this sick bastard jokes about 9-11.

 Actually, research has failed to find any campaign occasion when Bush listed the three exceptions --
 although there does seem to be a speech when Al Gore did. But now, Bush has offered a plan that sets off
 three different voter concerns: miscalculation, isolation and a deficit the size of Texas.
 This time, he's really hit the trifecta.

 Or rather, it's hit him."


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Quotes

"He and I have had some pretty frank discussions before about issues.
  I will continue to remind him, though - and he needs to hear this clearly from me,
  which he will - that America is a good nation, genuinely good."
   --Pres Pinhead, trying to justify his ongoing murder spree to Jacques Chirac, Attribution


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 Subject: Kobe

 bart,

 can't you post this response to your paranoid rant and give the woman a fair and balanced chance

 after all she deserves the same consideration as the accused. And you haven't ranted about these men,
 who have nothing to do with this situation, who are involving themselves (violently) as though "poor" Kobe
 has no resources.

 Bart, I thought you were a humanist. I have overlooked some of your sophmoric attitudes toward women
 cause I think you have a good heart. I hope I'm not wrong and you are not just another selective rights advocate.

 You don't defend male priveledge do you?
 Isn't that just what you detest in the Republican Right?
 Prejudice is prejudice, Bart, give the woman the same benefit of the doubt you give Kobe.
 martha
 

 Martha, why do you look past what I've written to read between the lines?
 I said it appeared the cops were illegally sealing public records to shield the girl.
 If cops break the law to unfairly convict a black man in an all-white town,
 why should I look the other way because it might appear to some that I've turned GOP?

 I'm guessing a difference between us is that I'm willing to admit Kobe could be guilty,
 but you seem to be saying this woman is solid, innocent and the victim - for sure.
 For all we know, she smelled money - we just don't have any facts.

 Two more things:
 If I show you my bruised and cut-up knuckles, and I tell you I hurt myself when I
 punched Sean Hannity in the mouth, those cuts do not prove I hit Sean Hannity.
 If she has bruises, they have to establish how she got them.

 Lastly, and before you scream "He's GOP!" have you heard that the cops may
 allow the woman to testify on videotape, which is BIG-time unconstitutional?
 The Sixth Amendment gives Kobe the right to face his accuser, not some videotape.

 People who think Kobe has more power than the state of Colorado are mistaken.


This is 'Banned Books Week.'
All fresh TV shows tonight
Monday's lowest rated program
'Rock Against Bush'
Big raises on 'West Wing'
PR specialist Victoria Clark joins Paula Zahn
MTV pulled Tom Green's plug
Kelsey Grammar & class warfare
David Lee Roth hurt himself
Grammys returning to LA
No room for altar girls
And, Queeny the cat


 Bush Lied, Many Soldiers Died
    by Jimmy Breslin, who is at least partly sane

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"George Bush told lies and they died.

 First, your government lied to ensure Bush's re-election.
 Who votes against a president in time of war? And even better, you get oil with the winning election.

 So Bush lied to you. Not misstatements. Lies.
 He and his people threw away their honor and consciences to lie to the people they had sworn to protect.
 The lies of Washington put young men from Seymour, Tenn., and Maspeth, Queens and Palos Hills, Ill., into boxes.
 And that, dear reader, is quite a lie."


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 Quotes

"Without the Ten Commandments posted inside the courthouse,
   how will you know that killing is wrong?"
   -- Stephen Colbert, to an Alabama official, on tonight's The Daily Show


 Subject: Radio music

 hey bart..love the radio show...
 i wouldn't mind if you played a whole tune rather than just a short segment...
 a few seconds of music sucks

 Roy
 

 Roy, thanks for that.
 Most of the feedback that came in was anti-music, which didn't surprise me as much as the anti-Beatles wave.
 I guess it's human nature for the contraries to write most, but that gives them more power.
 People who are satisfied aren't motivated to fire off a hot e-mail.

 We'll have more music in the next show - thanks.
 I ran into a musical surprise.



 Subject: Carvey as Miller's ditto-monkey

 Hey Bart,

 Did you happen to catch Dana Carvey on either Leno or Bill Maher's show last week?
 I did. On Leno, Carvey tore a page out of Dennis Miller's "no longer funny and can only
 resurrect career by jumping on the anti-Clinton and liberal-bashing bandwagon" handbook.

 Making snide remarks and referring to Governor Davis as "Gay Davis" worked well enough
 for the Leno crowd. But when he tried the EXACT same jokes on Maher's set he was nearly
 booed for his obviously homophobic remarks, and at one point I think I nearly heard crickets chirping.

 No doubt Maher's audience is left of Leno's, but I'll bet they're better read too.
 What's next? John Lovitz Hillary bashing on Meet the Fat Ass Press?

 Wg


 The Lies we Bought
 The Unchallenged "Evidence" For War
   by John R. MacArthur

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
"The American media failed the country badly these past eight months. As journalists, what can we do about it?

  Politicians know all too well the propaganda dictum related nearly twenty years ago by Peter Teeley, press secretary
 to then VP Bush. Teeley was responding to complaints that the elder Bush, during a televised debate, had grossly distorted
 the words of his and Ronald Reagan’s opponents, Mondale and Ferraro. As Teeley explained it to The New York Whore Times
 in October 1984, “You can say anything you want during a debate, and 80 million people hear it.” If “anything” turns out to be
 false and journalists correct it, 'So what. Maybe 200 people read it, or 2,000 or 20,000.'”
 

 ...unless you have Tim Russert on your payroll.
 Then you can lie like crazy and never be called on it, and worse, have Russert twist the truth into lies
 so he can get another cookie from Karl Rove and his corporate masters at General Electric.

 Poor Timmy Russert, can only handle one thought at a time.



 Subject: Bush was reading!

 I was trying to figure out what was wrong with Bush's eyes during the Fox interview last night,
 and then I realized, he was reading his answers. Would you really hold Fox News to a higher standard then this?
 I wouldn't.

 Anyone who doesn't think so rewatch the interview, his eyes and head are moving back and forth
 the whole time, to Hume, then away, to Hume, then away.

 Matt
 

 Matt, Bush is lucky to have the networks fawning over his "greatness."


 Quotes

"Even in marriage I had a little guilty feeling about sex, as if the whole thing was tinged with evil."
          --Ronald Reagan   in a 1951 letter to a friend
 

  I guess Ronnie wsn't feelling that tinge when he raped that starlet in Hollywood



 Quotes

"The US approach was to ask for our support, but while asking - point out that they didn't
  really need it, planned to attack Iraq anyway and basically thought the UN was a worthless
  institution. Not surprisingly, that didn't produce an outpouring of affection."
    --  a UN diplomat talking about murderous George Bush


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 Quotes

 Josh Marshall:  So, setting aside why we're in Iraq, how we got there, whether we should have
 gone in in the first place, where are we now? Where do you see our position right now?

 Joseph Wilson: Well, I think we're fucked.
  -- Joseph Wilson, acting Ambassador to Iraq 1991, speaking frankly Attribution


 Subject: Clark Unglues GOP

 Watching Robert Novak gnawing his dental adhesive last week on CNN's Crossfire, a thought occurred to me:
 the prospect of presidential candidate General Wesley Clark literally unglues the GOP.

 Mr. Novak reillustrated this phenomenon in his Monday, September 22 editorial, "The Trouble With Wesley Clark."
 Novak's transformation of a diplomatic molehill into a blunderous mountain of personal weakness is the latest example
 of how far out onto that precarious branch of spin desperate ideologues will stray.  I imagine a similarly desperate but
 resourceful Democratic demagogue in 1952 might have brought into question the affair between General Dwight D.
 Eisenhower and his driver, Ms. Kay Summersby.

 Ultimately, I'm encouraged by the frenzied tone and esoteric nature of Novak's "dirt" on Clark.
 Apparently the General's bash-ability potential is a scarce commodity.

 In 2000 the Republicans swiftly firebombed the campaign of John McCain.
 However, misleading telephone push-polls won't work when your opponent comes from "the other" side of the fence.

 Philip Thompson



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 Hamas: Bush declared war on Islam

  Click  Here

  Excerpt:
 Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, founder of the Islamic militant group Hamas, denounced Bush's speech to the UN
 as a declaration of war on Islam. "Today Bush declares war on Islam under the pretext of terrorism and
 ideologies that feed terrorism. Bush views Islam as terrorism," the wheelchair-bound cleric said.
 Yassin has been in hiding because of Israeli missile strikes against Hamas leaders after a wave of suicide bombings
 

 Perfect!
 Now we have 1.8 billion potential martyrs - thanks to Bush's greed.


 Bush's American soldier body count in Iraq
 It now stands at  305 counting the injured who have since died.

 Soon, we'll be at 400.
 How long before we hit 600?  Or 1000?

 Total deaths since President Frog-blaster said, "Bring 'em On":  101
 

  Perhaps 1,200 wounded - missing arms, legs and eyes.
 How much more are we willing to tolerate?

 From http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx


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 Subject: message from Bart

 Bartcop has been having problems with his elbow.
 Think we should all write Bart a note telling him the chiroquacks
 can’t prescribe real medine in Oklahoma??

 John
 

 John, that was some of the shorthand I'm known for.
 The Chiro asked me to call Doc Shariff and have him prescribe some Vioxx,
 which was odd because Shariff diagnosed my TE and sent me to the Chiro.

 Also, there was a lot I didn't say about the treatments.
 I'm using cold packs on my elbow, plus doing these odd exercises where I
 bend my fingers back, and then down. I also do this weird rub-the-muscle thing.

 Whatever - it seems to be helping.


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