Tipper and Bart
Subject: record warnings
The Mothers Of Invention were awesome,
but you are spot on as far as Tipper's label
Parents need to know.
We can't sit and review every damn thing that
Subject: Tipper and the PMRC...
Bart, I think you would really enjoy the lyrics
of the Dead Kennedy's, if not the music. Very smart band.
Too bad they broke up after after a lengthy and
costly court battle set into motion by the PMRC.
The lead singer and the elderly owner of a distribution
company faced up to a year in jail for
"distributing harmful matter to minors".
Is that really the reason they broke up?
If the record had a label on it, the store wouldn't/couldn't sell it
to kids - problem solved.
The jury wasn't impressed (7-5 in favor of aquittal)
and neither was the judge who denied a motion for retrial.
The prosecutor has since apologized for his involvement.
Tipper Gore said something to the effect of
"I'd like to think that I was somewhat responsible
for (the trial, the charges, etc.)".
I don't believe Tipper wanted artists jailed for lyrics.
When Jello Biafra (the lead singer) confronted
Tipper on the Oprah Winfrey Show with the newspaper he'd read
that quote in, she chalked it up to being misquoted.
Maybe she was, I don't know, but the question remains -
out all the huge, million dollar acts that were
publicly on the PMRC's "most wanted" list, why did they go after
little ol' DK from San Francisco?
If some misguided DA is looking for publicity, that doesn't mean it's
give clues on the cover of an album about what to expect.
Is a conviction easier when the defendants can't
afford Robert Shapiro and Johnnie Cochran?
Look, I'm not gonna go out and vote Nader because
I'm pissed off that Gore's wife may have
been involved in bringing rather scurrelous charges
against one of my favorite bands 20 years ago,
but Tipper's censorship-apalooza of the 1980's
pissed a lot of us music fans off.
When was the last time you saw an uncensored movie or TV show?
Why is an "X" on a record with 50 f-words in the lyrics so awful?
Subject: record label warnings
I thought those warning labels were a great idea
- it saved me
from wasting money on stuff that would not offend
Love your site,
Keep on swinging.
Subject: record warnings
Bart, you are so right about Tipper Gore's stance
then and now.
I had the privilege of having a conversation
about that issue with Al Gore.
I was lucky enough to step up to have my photo
taken with the VP at a Democratic party event
just when the photographer had to stop and fiddle
with the camera. It gave my time to chat with the VP!
I told him how much I had always admired his
wife and how, despite being one of Frank Zappa's most
hard core fans, I agreed with Tipper on that
one. That's when Al Gore told me the Gores and the Zappas
became good friends over time before Frank Zappa
died. It still makes me feel great to know that.
Tipper Gore has taken many courageous stands on
a number of important issues.
She's right every time.
A.K. in Boise,
still a fan of Al and Tipper..and Frank Zappa
Thanks for that.
Subject: Frank v. Tipper
If FZ were still with us, he'd say:
"And the myth of obscenity is a myth that is perpetuated
in order to keep a censorship mechanism in place,
because as long as there can be censorship, for
one thing or another, as long as they can convince somebody
that you need to have a watchdog to keep the
dirty words off the air, then that same watchdog agency will
be able to keep political ideas that are undesirable,
or any other kind of social ideas that are undesirable off
the airwaves, and that is the real basis for
perpetuating myths of obscenity and all that kind of stuff.
And I try to attack it as often as I can."
And Lenny Bruce would say,
"Take away the right to say fuck and you take
away the right to say fuck the government."
Peter, allow me to introduce myself.
My name is Bart and I have a website and radio show that uses those
words all the time.
It's my fault for not being more clear about what we're debating.
I think a label on a record that says, "Language" is a good thing.
I even use that to introduce every radio show on the page.
Listen to it before you share it
There's some language in this one.
That protects a newbie who saw a something clean on the page
and then bought some Hi-Def stereo BCR CDs to share with
Grandma and the kids on the long ride to Jellystone to see Yogi.
Ain't no censorship here.
Note: If you
have an "edgy" website, you need Perkel
to host it.
He'll fight to let you say whatever and an e-mail from a lawyer won't
Subject: Down on Tipper
Bart, you wrote,
> Much as I love Frank, he was wrong on this
> If I had a 9-year old daughter, would I
want her to see "Pulp Fiction?"
> Would I want her to hear Ice-T's "Fuck the
> Would I want her to read bartcop.com?
I have to agree with the above about Pulp Fiction.
However, "Fuck the Police" is a valid point, imo.
For a 9-year old?
Police have gotten way out of control, nothing
but punks with guns seeking revenge for being
picked on in high school, they also think
they are much smarter than everyone, always talking down
to people, then they go home and smoke the Green
Bud they forgot to put into evidence, beat-off to
porn they confiscated, have their 4 year
old set off the illegal fireworks they acquired, then get
piss drunk and beat the crap out of their gay
The worst part is the "code of honor" in which
the stand-up cops cover for the corrupt ones.
Makes them just as guilty imo. The requirements
should be more than a highschool education and a pulse.
Americans need to utilize what 4th and 5th Amendment
rights they have left. FUCK THE POLICE!!!
Reading portions of bartcop to form their own
opinion is acceptable to me.
I still say the weapons inspectors should have
been allowed to search longer.
AL GORE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!
KEEP YOUR HAMMER HARD!
This one, Overnite Sensation,
is the one that first got us hooked.
I'm The Slime
Subject: Against Frank on the
You're not going to argue for the "let the government
do our parenting for us
and the hell with free speech" side, are you?
CY in PA
No, and why, after 1900 issues and 10-plus years would you think I was?
Subject: Volume 1916 sidebar
As the father of a now 23 year old daughter I
just laughed at the thought of trying to tell
young girls what is good for them! You are truly
I have no kids, that's for sure.
Trying to control the moon and the stars would
be easier! It's so comical when a non-daughter parent
comes out with these old fashoned ideas about
censorship as if they are trying to protect the chastity
and innocence of a young women. So although I
do respect you immensly for the couragous stand that
you make every week against the evil that has
befallen our great nation, I have to speak up on this one!
When your daughter was nine, she
got no supervision at all?
I find that hard to believe.
1. You may think that your daughter is going to
be the next Jonas Saulk at age 9, but by age 13
she will be MORE INTERESTED IN BOYS and what
her friends think. So, to go item by item,
here are some opinions of my own for your consideration.
> If I had a 9-year old daughter, would I want
her to see "Pulp Fiction?"
*1.) I did not want my daughter to see Pulp Fiction,
but she managed to see it a friends house and just hid
the fact from me so I would not be angry. Being
a father in a feminist dominated culture makes it impossible
to get respect from your daughter. When everything
that they see and read tells them that men are oppressive
and controlling and women hating, why should
they give a fig about what your rules and opinions are?
> Would I want her to hear Ice-T's "Fuck the
*2.) You are showing your age here Bart. Obviously
you have not watched the Madonna "Truth or Dare"
video/movie that came out years after NWA's excellent
song about racial profiling. If you think the word "Fuck"
is a threat to our daughters equalibrium, perhaps
you should volunteer at Planned Parenthood sometime to get a
bit of perspective on that concept. Little girls
know what sex is and where babies come from by age 4 or 5.
(mothers of daughters in the audience, help me
Pulp Fiction and Truth or dare were both rated
"R," which means 9-year olds can't get in.
> Would I want her to read bartcop.com?
*3.) I think that bartcop.com would be
an excellent source of alternative opinions to counter the mind-numbing
television that most kids watch today. I would
recomend it to anyone of any age. The truth never goes out of style,
even if sometimes it's not pleasant to look at
or think about. That is an important lesson for both boys and girls.
We live in dangerous times and there is no room
But we often talk about adult things here.
I might let my 9-year old read bartcop.com because
he would have grew up hearing it first-hand.
That's why Mrs Bart doesn't read it - she hears
the uncensored version every day :).
So I say, Tipper and Phillis and Jerry and the
rest of the ex-moral minority can go straight to the hell reserved
for people who mess up other peoples lives because
they think that they are more "moral" than the rest of us,
and use the Bible to justify thuggery and judicial
Tipper is very different from Phillis and Jerry.
In the eighties, Tipper attacked the indie and
what is today called the "alternative" music scene by using her
political position and influence with the help
of the mass media to scupper small independent record labels and
anti government musicians, (just ask Jello Biafra,
he will give you an earfull). The irony is that all we punkers
and new wavers who were political way back then
WARNED YOU about what would happen if these people
get too much power, but did the yuppies listen?
NO. AND NOW LOOK AT THE MESS WE ARE IN!
Tipper is responsible for the world we live in?
I think somebody is having a bad day in today's
"feminist dominated culture."
Perhaps if Tipper and Phillis were not so "moral"
back then, more people would appreciate that the current
political situation (disaster) is nothing more
than the END RESULT of a long quest for political control.
I protested against global warming in 1983, but
to listen to the news today, this is a new problem. I'm now 40
and although I am not very wise, I have learned
how people forget the past at the expense of the future.
So I don't really see how I could loose on this
one. I was right in '83 and I'm right now! Where I live in Vermont
(supposedly the last bastion of liberalism in
the country) it's easy to see from the little jockey statues in front yards
painted in blackface like some bizzare caricature
of Al Jolson, that we NEED songs like "Fuck the Police" and we
NEED to teach our daughters and sons WHY there
are songs like that. I once heard it said somewhere that
"Racism begins at home", so it would follow that
so does freedom and equality.
I welcome any public commentary of my opinion.
Thanks for listening, and keep hammering.
The question isn't, "Should Pulp Fiction, Fuck
the Police, truth or Dare" etc be allowed.
The question is, "Is it good or bad to label
adult material as such?"
There was more, I ran out of time.
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