Subject: How bad is the illegal
alien problem in Arizona?
I was talking to a dude who actually thought the
bill was a good idea, to keep the criminals out.
I suspect the law is a bad thing, but I
wish I had more facts.
Arizona is under seige, maybe a temporary sweep would help
authorities regain control?
I pointed out that most illegal aliens are very
careful to not break any laws, for fear of being detected,
and, if one is using your SS#, pays into your
retirement fund for free, and most pay payroll social security,
medicare, and every other tax normal employees
You say "most" but that can be misleading.
Arizona has 2M illegals (wild guess) and if
of them are vicious and depraved animals,
that's 100,000 crazies in Arizona that don't
belong and that sounds like a big problem to me.
(Reader: Use your head - don't write and say "I
always knew you were a Fascist."
I'm asking questions and gathering facts
- something more people should do
before they start screaming their uninformed
opinion all over the airwaves.)
The drug smugglers and criminals he refered to
are already breaking the law - how is another law
going discourage them? Far more - by huge
margins - US criminals are natural born citizens than
illegal aliens - but no one points that out.
I see your point, but Arizona has special circumstances.
A bad man can commit some seriously heinous crimes,
then go South a few miles and be out of
the jurisdiction of the police and that's a dangerous thing, especially
his description is "Hispanic-looking male."
That means he'll likely never be caught, which encourages more crime
If the same illegal commits those crimes in Oklahoma,
he's ten hours from freedom
so let's admit Arizona and other border states
have problems that other states don't have.
I'm not saying, "The new law is a good thing."
I'm asking, "Are things so bad in Arizona
that the new law is justifiable?"
I'm asking because I don't know.
Some people try to deny the racial profiling aspect,
but the law states the officer needs 'reasonable suspicion'
in order to check your papers - how can a white
guy do anything to demonstrate reasonable suspicion?
On top of that, if you fail to have your papers,
you are taken in and arrested and must pay a $200 arrest fee
- to cover the costs of taking you in for failing
to carry your papers.
I agree - that's not a good situation and it's
super-grossly unfair for a fifth generation American to have to
carry papers with him to move around in a state
where his great-grandfather was born, but
is the alternative, the new law, sadly, might
be a temporary tool that could be put to use to protect people.
Again, I'm saying "maybe" and "if,"
so please, readers, chill your knee-jerk reaction to say, "You're
just like Cheney."
Didn't Jews have to carry papers in Germany -
before the concentration camps were started?
Should we start building Latino concentration
camps next? Showers?
Maybe if authorities take unpopular actions now,
a "1939 German situation" can be avoided.
I believe the hyper-violence (daily multiple murders, beheadings and
such) is real in Mexico,
so I can't fault the average Arizonian for being worried that it's
getting closer every day.
I think it's important to deal with the facts in front of our faces
instead of looking at the way things ought to be.
Have you even seen that 1984 Martin Sheen movie
called The Guardian?
In it, Sheen lived in a NYC apartment that was
kinda overrun by gang bangers.
He was a typical New York, ACLU liberal who was
all about Miranda and police restraint, etc.
Then one day the gang grabbed him and demanded
that he masturbate for their amusement.
At the very last minute he was saved by the GOP
Dirty Harry-type and then he became a Rethug.
Yes, I get that it was a movie - I hate
when people write and tell me that.
But, like the torture 'debate' it's easy to say
"always" and "never," that is, until you're
pantsless in front of a gang of perverts who
are demanding a one-man sex show.
Again, I'm just looking for some facts.
Arizona is a wild west state where the thugs rule, then I might
say the new law is necessary.
crime is up 2 percent, then maybe I'd say the new law is not
necessary and goes too far.
Anyone else agree with my common sense approach?
If I lived in Phoenix, I'd have a stronger opinion and I'd be able to
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