I disagree on torture
I have to respectfully disagree with you on torture; based on the
First, not torturing saves lives, as evidenced from our actions in wars
from 1776 through WWII,
Hessians knew we didn’t torture, so they surrendered and many settled
here based on treatment
they received. George Washington certainly would’ve been justified in
revenge based on the
atrocities the Brits were doing to us, but he took the high ground and
did not torture. Similarly,
the Germans in WWII were taught to surrender to Americans, as they
would be treated humanely.
On the flip side, torturing costs thousands of lives, based on Pentagon
reports. Captured insurgents
in Iraq stated that the number one reason they were inspired to fight
(and kill US troops with IEDs etc.),
was based on Abu Ghraib photos and reports of waterboarding and other
forms of torture.
The emotional appeal of the “24” type scenario also doesn’t hold water,
as any group with the skill
to pull off such a plot would also likely have suitable contingency
plans, i.e. if one of their henchmen
was picked up, and didn’t respond (or check in) in an appropriate time
frame, then the others would
then move the bomb assuming that one of the group had been caught, and
Finally, there’s the slippery slope argument. If you can justify
torture based on saving kids on a bus,
or citizens in Gotham, why not torture suspected child abusers, war
protesters, or critics of the powerful?
That was the original point
that we never got to.
I expected people to say, "A
broken finger or two to save a large city is OK,
but broken arms and legs to
find a stolen car is going too far."
In my opinion, the Left tends to panic when they hear the T-word -
In short, we should not torture because the benefits are negligible to
non-existent, and the costs are
astronomical, and we as a society would be diminished if not destroyed
by becoming what we fear most.
How’s that for an argument that didn’t
get personal or abusive?
I agree with you on pretty much everything else, and don’t have a
perfect liberal score,
as I am pro gun (but can’t afford one) and for expanding the death
penalty (for white collar criminals!)
John in San Antonio, Texas
I disagree with most of the
"conventional wisdom" about torture.
I'm not saying torture works, but it can work and
if lives are at stake, why not try to save them?
first sentence tells me you'd let New York be destroyed.
I think eight million lives is a high price to pay for "principle."
Our opinions are different - I can live with that :)
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