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LA X (parts 1 & 2)
and WHAT KATE DOES
If you have the discs (or a subscription to Netflix
so you can stream them to your computer) and have the†time†
- re-watch EVERYTHING. And I mean from day 1,
seasons 1-5, and you will be blinded by the lightbulbs going off over your
LA X (parts 1 & 2)
So here is where I am down the LOST RABBIT HOLE:
Just like in JJ and The Boys's new Star Trek,
we have an ADDITIONAL timeline because of someone time traveling (the Losties.)†
The moment of creation of The Sliding Doors Effect™
is when Juliet detonates Jughead (the core of the hydrogen bomb) in 1977.
This is not a "reset" because that would imply
there is only one timeline.
- The bomb basically creates a 2nd Timeline (B)
and does an ATLANTIS to The Island and it sinks. (The reason it sinks is
not only is the hole Juliet is sucked down into
with the JugheadCore waaaaaay deeeeeep, it's also on top of that electromagnetic
energy pocket - which sinks the island as opposed
to wiping it and making it devoid of all things living.†It also presumably
everyone on it that wasn't in that original time-skipping
group who was still alive at the time of detonation. That would include
Jacob, Richard, SmokeMonster/MIB (I shall call
him Esau), Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawking, all The Others & Darma
The people no longer exist in the Atlantis Timeline
(B), because they’re DEAD.
The Time Skippers, and those sucked out of Ajira
316 to 1977, (Sawyer, Miles, Jin, Juliet, Sayid, Kate, Jack, & Hurley)
skipped to 2007 in Timeline A (where Ben, FakeLocke
and Sun are, along with Ilana & her crew.)
1. Everything that happened to The Island in
Timeline A - does not exist in Atlantis Timeline (B) after the detonation
2. The 2nd Timeline originates in 1977, so what
we see on Oceanic 815 in 2004 reflects the endless possibilities of that:
* If TPTB are writing the characters the same
age as the actors who play them, then Jacob never visits ANY of the Oceanic
since he & the island were destroyed? Rendered
inert? He went somewhere else?
So, what makes Atlantis Timeline different?
- The biggest thing I can think of is†Charles
Widmore is dead, Penelope doesn't meet Desmond since her father is too
dead to order
the wine, and she has no reason to go to Desmond's
Monastery. If Desmond never met Penny, then every event he has experienced
in Timeline A after that event doesn't exist
in Atlantis Timeline (B), which is everything on the show other than the
- Eloise Hawking is also dead which means Daniel
Faraday never existed in this Timeline, since he was never born.
- Danielle Rousseau's group and Leonard Simms
(remember him? The crazy guy who was Hurley'’s friend from the mental institution?),
never heard The Numbers in 1988 because even
if they were broadcasting in 1977, that is when that transmission would
stopped due to the detonation. So Hurley never
heard The Numbers even if he was in the mental institution, (more on that
in a minute.) Rousseau'’s group also never crashed
on the island, and maybe never crashed their boat in the first place on
Therefore, none of them got “"infected"” (possessed
by the Smoke Monster), and they weren't shot by Danielle, and Alex was
never taken or murdered by Widmore's mercenaries.
- Rose still has cancer.
- Jack never had the candy bar moment with Jacob,
so the absence of this small event makes the difference in his Atlantis
personality - chances are he never met Desmond
at the stadium because Desmond had no reason to be there (training for
boat race.) This too could have an impact on
Jack. He is now a nervous flyer, so Rose is the one who comforts him. He
also seems a
lot more confident in his own abilities and says
to Locke - "nothing is irreversible." Not sure yet why flight attendant
Christy only gave
him one bottle of Vodka.
- Kate never had the NKOTB lunchbox bought for
her by Jacob, so does this mean the storeowner called the cops?
How much does this event affect her life? According
to a clip shown at ComicCon (SPOILER ALERT – go
- Sawyer didn't get Jacob's pen at the funeral
- so maybe he never wrote the letter, and never carried it around for almost
- Hurley was always meant to win the lotto, so
it doesn't matter with what numbers.
He never heard THE NUMBERS so he never developed
the CURSE thing.
- Locke was never on The Island so the Compass
Paradox never happened. He never Time Skipped from 2004 to 2007 and got
and Richard never came to remove the bullet and
patch him up and never gave him his compass, so Richard never got it back
in 1954, and had no reason to "come see" Locke
on the mainland as a child, or try to recruit him as a teenager for a science
resulting in no "Don't tell me what I can't do!"
moment with a teacher in high school.
- Sayid is looking for Nadia in Los Angeles (Irvine.)
His personality is probably the most unchanged.
- Both Jin & Sun, aren't touched by Jacob
at their wedding, so everything after that event is open to change (her
affair, her English, her trying to leave Jin....etc)
- Charlie never meets Desmond on the street when
Desmond is uncontrollably Time Skipping, and is never told they were living
on an island.
All things past this event are open for Charlie.
He also never dropped the bag of heroin during the turbulence before the
plane breaks apart.
The turbulence is different this time, and he
(accidentally?) swallows the bag instead.
- Claire is likely to have had a different reading
from psychic Richard Malkin since her plane wasn't going to crash, or was
that all about giving up the baby?
- Juliet was never recruited to go to The Island
by Richard, so she's alive and well in (Miami?)
- It has yet to be revealed why we didn't see
Michael, Walt, & Vincent, or if they weren't on Oceanic 815.
- Baby Miles was on his way home in the sub just
before the blast in 1977. Assuming everyone made it to the mainland,
he's alive and well in 2004, having never been
on the freighter.
- Baby Charlotte was also on the sub, and is
presumably alive since she was never hired by dead Charles Widmore to go
to the Island on the freighter with Miles.
- Libby never meets Desmond, so she never gives
him her boat. Perhaps that’s why she's not on the plane?
- Unaccounted for passengers from Oceanic 815
- Paulo & Nikki, Mr Eko, and Ana Lucia.
I don't think the Atlantis Timeliners sense anything
regarding their parallel selves. Jack thinking he recognized Desmond might
be from a
different meeting they had that is yet to be
revealed. Perhaps Desmond entered the race anyway. Perhaps he and Penny
met under different
circumstances and she is the one who holds the
annual race in her father’s memory.…
As for the 2007 Timeline A - Richard in chains
(what a great line......) I think Richard was the captain of the Black
Rock who had been drawn
to the Island courtesy of Jacob The Siren who
promised him a drink from the Fountain of Youth, but Esau chained him to
the mast so he wouldn't
land the ship - but Jacob moved the island to
"catch" the ship anyway.
My question is what happened to LIFE THE UNIVERSE
AND EVERYTHING when Desmond turned the key at the end of season 2
and The Swan imploded? (As far as new timelines....
if any), and just how special is Desmond (other than him being a SMOKIN
like Daniel Faraday alluded to?
I thought Locke was nowhere near as broken a
man in Atlantis Timeline. I believe he DID go on that walkabout in his
wheelchair, and he seemed
much more accepting about his situation, and
was determined to make the best of it. I didn't see the bitter beaten Locke
we originally met. This Locke
has been busy making lemonade, and not wallowing
in self-pity. He seemed to be more amused than pissed that Oceanic lost
his knife case, and really
helped Jack with some father grief. This is a
much different guy.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think Locke
ended up in the wheelchair under different circumstances in Atlantis Timeline
than his douche father
throwing him out of an 8-story window (and having
Jaocb give him that Resurrection Touch™.)
Assuming a lot of things are different in Atlantis
Timeline, I think there are more things up with Locke than my brain has
been able to process so far.
If he didn't have the THREE visits that Richard
spoke of (only two of which have been shown - the Dali Lama test which
Richard thought he failed
but might have actually passed when he picked
the knife and not the compass, and the one with the science teacher and
trying to recruit him for the
science camp - so maybe we'll see what that third
visit was this season.) So,†if†he didn't get those three visits, and didn't
have people telling him he
was "special" perhaps he never tried to find
his father after NuttyMommy Swoozie's visit, therefore never gave up a
kidney, never stalked his
douche dad, and never got tossed out of the window
by said douche. So what DID happen to put him in that chair?
On Jacob - he only visited Hurley and Sayid to
get them all back to the island. However, was it really Jacob? Did he cause
or save Sayid's life when he asked for directions?
Was this Esau disguised as Jacob desperately organizing The Loophole, or
gathering The Five and Esau merely taking advantage
of the situation that presented itself? If so, why did Jacob need them
back on the island?
Both Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking spoke
of a war coming......
I want to know WTF is up with "He who will save
us all", who the fuck Richard is (and how old is he†really), who the hell
are Ilana and her peeps,
and how does all that tie in with The Temple?
It will be interesting to see who is the Real
Alpha on The Other's Great Chain of Being™ - Ben? Dogen? Richard? Locke/FLocke?
Clearly they're connected since Flight Attendant
Cindy and the Oceanic 815 kids are now in The Temple.
How old is Dogen I wonder and how did he come
to The Island?
ok - Early predictions for season 6 (via Sliding
TimeSkipping (Timeline A) Sawyer meets/finds
and hooks up with Atlantis Timeline (B) Juliet.
What Kate Does†= (2007)†She goes after Sawyer.
Over and over x infinity.†
SCENE: KATE & SAWYER are sitting on the dock,
KATE is explaining why she came after him..."to find Claire, etc.."
KATE: I'm sorry I came after you.
SAWYER: Which time?
Glad that's cleared up.
What Kate Does†= (2004 & 2007)†She runs.
Moving on - †This episode was a lot of positioning
2007 - Timeline A
So, what do we know now?
- Dogen & the Temple Others are trying to
protect THEM (our Losties) from Mr Smokey.
- Dogen thinks Sayid is "infected." This means
the same as when Rousseau said it of her friends, implying Mr Smokey has
(or so Dogen believes.) I'm not convinced since
Jacob got to him first via Hurley.
- The Temple Others need THEM all back at the
Temple so THEY don't get infected by Mr Smokey, or worse, die,
because they're ka-tet* I suppose. [*From Stephen
King's The Dark Tower.]
- Sayid will die unless Jack gives him the poison
- Dogen doesn't confirm or deny trying to kill
Sayid when Jack asks him, "why are you trying to kill Sayid" but says,
"He has been [claimed.]"
Perhaps this only means it will kill "the darkness
growing within him."
- Dogen knows Claire is Jack's sister - but then
The Others know EVERYTHING about EVERYONE on Oceanic 815.
- Claire is the new Rousseau, and very much alive
(dead people don't fire guns, or help people†physically†- Locke and his
broken leg - off the floor.)
But The Others believe she's been "claimed" by
"the darkness" meaning Mr Smokey. And she was hanging out in that cabin
- The Others only put their ash Circle of Binding
around the MAIN Temple, not the outer wall of the complex, since we've
drag Rousseau's gang down there, (remember Jin
and the arm?) and almost dragged Locke down the same hole.
- Why was Dogen typing, and why does he have
- Why did Dogen lie to Sayid about passing the
- Why do The Others not want the Lost ka-tet
to know about Ajira 316?
- Why is Mr Sunny so trigger happy, and eager
to kill Kate & Jin? Perhaps he is just pissed off about what Sawyer
did on his way out,
and no longer cares about The Big Picture? That
either makes him a bad Other, or Dogen not a good leader.
- If Claire is now "claimed" and presumably bad,
why does she save Jin?
- Whose side is Ben on? He's been calling Mr
Smokey for years - but if Mr Smokey is bad, why hasn't it possessed him,
and why have
Dogen and The Others allowed Ben to be pals with
Mr Smokey? So I guess the question is, Who is Mr Smokey†really?
We've been led to assume that MIB/Esau/Mr Smokey/FLocke
is The Bad Guy, and Jacob is good. But if you really think about it,
that's an easy choice, and not usually something
this show has done. What if that's not the case? What if that's actually
or we find out neither is good nor bad, they
just have two different agendas. We know MIB wants to "go home." What does
mean exactly? Jacob has been able to come and
go, as has Richard. Was Jacob mortal? We know that Jacob and MIB are OLD.
We know that Jacob is responsible for Richard's
lack of aging. We know that MIB can assume many forms (Locke, Mr Smokey),
but who was using Christian, Jacob or MIB?†
Of course Jacob & MIB all seems very Biblical
- but there are many parallels they could be pulling from: Able & Cain
(Wandering Jew, Flying Dutchman, Cartaphilus
- one dies, the other can't), Jesus & Lucifer (one mortal, then other
and a shape-shifter), but for now let's stick
with the obvious one of Jacob & Esau. In the story, Rebecca's prophecy
they were fighting in her womb and that the elder
(Esau) would serve the younger (Jacob.) Jacob is a bit of a liar and a
buying Esau's birthright for a bowl of stew and
deceiving and lying to his own blind father that he was Esau to get Isaac's
of "the dew of the heavens, the fatness of the
earth, and rulership over many nations as well as his own brother."
When Isaac discovered the deception, and being
unable to take back the blessing, he promised Esau, "By your sword you
but your brother [Jacob] you shall serve; yet
it shall be that when you are aggrieved, you may cast off his yoke from
upon your neck."
Esau vows to kill Jacob as soon as Isaac dies,
and Jacob is sent away by Rebecca. Later they reconcile, but according
to the Book
of Jubilees, Jacob kills Esau during a battle
where Esau and his sons come after Jacob and his family for their wealth.
So if we go
with this theme, who has been "gathered" for
whom? Who is whose army? Which team are each of our Losties playing for?
And if Jacob is the one that leaves, and then
returns home - is he the one "gathering" an army to slay Esau? But why
Esau/MIB want to "go home?" And where/what exactly
2004 - Atlantis Timeline
What do we know?
- Claire is still pregnant.
- Ethan was never recruited by The Others (because
they all got blowed-up in 1977) and never went to The Island.
- 815 doesn't crash so everyone connected to
passengers on the plane that would have been effected, aren't. (Claire's
- Who Kate killed still hasn't been revealed.†(Even
though they let that fly at Comic Con.)
- Los Angeles suddenly looks very lush.
Not enough has played out yet, so I don't have
many questions. I just assume everything is different beginning in 1977.
If†the universe is going to make it's "correction",
I think that will mean there cannot be two (doppelg‰ngers) of anyone on
(Of course, there are definitely two Spocks now,
so what the hell do I know?) One will either die in the course of this
season, or never be
able to leave the island. (well, except for maybe
Baby Aaron), unless they're treating these two timelines more like two
than Sliding Doors (or maybe that was two verses
as well.. my brain hurts now.)
Of course, the universe is under no obligation
to make that "correction",
but I think it will since they've said that repeatedly,
and the timelines will converge.
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