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Tom Tomorrow responds
This is so messed up.
Days ago, I asked:
> My question:
> Are there any sane
people who claim Clinton intentionally bombed the aspirin factory?
> That word is in red for a reason. I'm not asking if
Rush or O'Reilly or Hannity said it.
> I'm talking about someone who's respected. Does anyone
believe that?
Tom responded:
See articles below from LA Times, Washington Post,
and Independent of London.
(There's a lot more if you have Lexis-Nexus and
more time to spare than I do.)
I guess the key word is "intentionally", which
of course no one can answer with
100% certainty, but it is undeniably a
matter of historical record that the justification
for the bombing was at best extraordinarily flimsy...
"Never before has a single soil sample prompted
an act of war against a sovereign state."
I admire your efforts vis-a-vis Bush, and you
seem pretty level headed about the spinelessness
of the Democrats... though you have more faith
in the possibility of their redemption than I do...
Best,
Tom T.
(He included much text from the LA Times, Wash Post & Indie of London)
The next day, I printed my attack on Tom's general position
that Clinton is "just another corrupt politician."
This was in the mail from the 14th
What your readers won't see, of course--unless
you're honest enough to
post this email-- is that your apparently
arbitrary swipe at me was
your way of responding to a good faith attempt
on my part to open up
a dialogue with you concerning your question
about the bombing of the
pharamaceutical factory in Sudan.
If, as you say, you've been reading
my work a long time, you know that I've *always*
been critical of
*conservative* Democrats, of the perpetual Democratic
acquiesence to
Republican policy initiatives...in short, of
Democratic spinelessness, a
point I believe I've seen a fellow named Bartcop
make a time or two.
All best,
Tom T.
PS. If you're going to swipe my work, you ought
to at least run the whole piece...
including
the final panel calling George Bush a complete moron.
I still didn't know this door had opened, but from his end, it looked
like
I was taking a back-handed swipe at him by non-answering his e-mail.
Silent Sidebar:
I would never intentionally
stand in the way
of someone calling Bush a
complete moron.
He shows a lot of restraint for someone who thought he'd been sucker-punched.
A shot of Chinaco to Tom for that.
Two-three days after those e-mails were sent, I found them, and have
answered Tom.
First, I have to convince him I wasn't trying to pull a Pearl Harbor
on him.
I wrote to him, "When I attack somebody, I want them to know about
it, and why."
Another line I wrote to him was,
"If we're to not get along, I'd like it to be over issues instead
of tactics.
I don't cheap shot anyone and I print all complaint mail."
I know it's not up to you and I, but if there was a way
you and I could agree on some stuff, maybe that would say
something
about the rift that needs to be healed before we let Bush
steal another term."
It seems to get that door to re-open, I must convince Tom it wasn't
an ambush.
Time will tell if I was successful.
...then we could get into this "just another
corrupt politician," business.
I think that would be a riveting discussion.
From: efestag@mail.alac.org
Subject: You goofed
Bart,
What's the matter with you?
Halle Berry was never a Miss World.
Eckhard
Eckhard, I am guilty of so many things, but how can you accuse me of
"goofing up"
and asking "What's the matter with you?"
when you were staring at a picture
of Halle Berry wearing a crown on her head and a sash that says "Miss
World?"
Granted, I'm not the Pope.
Granted, I didn't do a lot of research on this.
If Kato Burn wore a sash that said, "Miss World," I would've investigated,
but when I see Halle Berry in a Miss World costume with a crown - I
just assume
(I'd sure love the see the girl who beat her)
It seems there are a few possibilities here:
1. That's not Halle Berry.
2. It's Halle, but she's actually just won "Miss Wood," which is a
distinct possibility.
3. The photograph is faked, which I don't think it is.
There are probably more possibilities, but I gots to know:
Why are you so adamant that your eyes are lying to you?
Subject One
I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, that Tom Tomorrow was
ducking a debate.
The impression has been extablished that I have and that's not
true.
Until today at noon CST, I had no idea Tom knew I existed.
If he didn't know I existed, he couldn't possibly duck a debate,
right?
(I often get mail asking, "Why are you
ducking me?" from people I've never heard of,
so I can understand his not liking the unfounded assertion that
I claimed he's ducking me.
Besides, who's to say I'd win such a debate?)
I strongly disagree with his statement (via the penguin)
that
"Clinton was just another corrupt politician."
If that was true, Clinton could've taken tobacco money and eased
up on them,
thereby allowing thousands of more children to become
hooked, but he didn't.
If that was true, Clinton could've taken money from the NRA and
eased up on them,
thereby allowing thousands of more children to get their
hands on guns, but he didn't.
If that was true, Clinton could've taken money from the HMOs and
eased up on them,
thereby allowing thousands of more children to be denied
decent health care, but he didn't.
I also don't think anybody can make the case that Clinrton
intentionally bombed
some stupid aspirin factory for a headline. I mean, what would
be the point?
Are people saying our CIA and our spy satellites are so goddamn
inept,
that they cannot locate a legitimate military target to hot when
one needs hitting?
I suspect Tom often uses hyberbole, as I do, to make a point.
So let the point stand loud and clear.
Tom Tomorrow could not have possibly ducked a civil debate
with me nor did I
ever make such a claim, because until today I didn't know he
knew who I was.
Since it wasn't possible - it could not have been true.
Perhaps someone will forward this message to Tom for his consideration.
But even if he doesn't agree to a debate, it doesn't mean he's
ducking.
BartCop Radio Update
There's good news and bad news with BartCop radio.
We're still trying to get the train on the track.
I haven't heard last week's show yet, so I'll bet you haven't,
either.
However, I can produce rants like that one you've heard.
But what's the fist rule of the Internet?
Nothing is easy.
Remember my Cool Edit that was locked up?
All I needed to do was re-install the program, but their cheating
lockout thing had
to be defeated, which should be no problem since I bi\ough
the software.
But, of course, it takes days to get them to send the sftware
with the key that
unlocks the damn program, so I got that working - finally.
All I need now to produce really clear rants is a Game Voice headset
(which I bought).
But of course, Bill Gates doesn't want me to use any Microsoft
products without
him waving his magic wand of permission, so now I have to wait
for the company
that installed my Windows to give me a copy of the damn CD.
Once I have that, I'm sure there'll be other obstacles, but as
each obstacle falls
we will be closer to that rat-like voice going around the globe
on the www.
From: AndreaCG@aol.com
Subject: Tom Tomorrow's pardon comic
Bartcop,
Glad you ran that particular example of Tom Tomorrow's
work to bolster your point.
The Nader/Tomorrow defenders can't figure out
that Clinton's Pardongate was as overhyped
as nearly all the "Gates" against him turned
out to be.
Yet they blithely or cravenly ignore the REAL
pardon scandal, George Bush Sr., Weinberger
and crew just before Iran-Contra testimony was
about to start. How conveeeenient.
How nice to save one's ass from a potential jail
term and the ignominy of a lower place in
Presidential history than Richard Nixon, and
yet 8 years later, your subnormal intelligence offspring
is catapulted back into the White House in the
most corrupt Presidential "election" in our nation's history.
And they wonder why you're peeved.
Andrea Abrahams
Andrea
People have so little faith that they think I'd misunderstand a single
toon from a "friend"
and turn on him like shark. After 557 issues, people think that of
me?
Quotes
"There's a lot of people in the Middle
East who are desirous to get into the Mitchell process.
And--but first things first.
The--these terrorist acts and, you know, the responses have got
to end in order for us to get
the framework--the groundwork--not framework, the groundwork
to discuss a framework for peace,
to lay the--all right."--
-- the extremely weak and extremely stupid appointed
boy king.
Enron's
Chief Executive Quits After Only 6 Months in Job
Is there a Fighter in the Democratic party?
Excerpt:
But now that President Bush and his crew have
taken over, Waxman has appeared positively liberated in his
new role, questioning why Cheney has kept the
membership of his energy task force secret and
pressing for details on talks that White House
senior adviser Karl Rove had with companies in which he had
more than $100,000 of stock. In both instances,
Waxman has been rebuffed, though the General Accounting
Office is threatening to go to court to force
Cheney to release the names of his outside advisers.
From: david.thompson@ketchum.com
Subject: Nader's Fault? My Ass
Bartcop,
What's worse: trying to bring the corruption
and greed of both parties into the national spotlight or
standing by and doing nothing while the Republican
hordes steal Americans' right to vote?
Dave, that's not the question.
The question is, what's worse? President Gore
or President Bush?
That's the only question.
Al Gore lost the election because... (he listed many reasons. Nobody is arguing that.)
I'm hoping he's going to grow a nerve before 04.
If he does, he'll have my vote - along with the frustrated
and disenfranchised wing of the party that abandoned
him for Nader. Until then, color me Green.
You're wrong on this one, BC.
David Thompson
David,
No matter what your feelings are, the math is the math.
Nothing can change the math.
Even if every word you say about Gore is true, the math is still the
math.
You can say I'm wrong if you want, but the math says I'm right.
Nothing can change the math.
No matter how much you want it to, no matter how strongly you feel.
If you stick to your guns, Smirk could have a second term.
Nothing can change the math.
You can be angry and say "Bart doesn't get
it," but the math says I'm right.
If ego boy had asked his voters to stop Bush, we wouldn't have an appointed
king.
Nothing can change the math.
Tally Briggs on Stem Cells
http://www.geocities.com/bardgal/hypocrisy.html
Quotes
"President Bush was in Colorado today. He visited
the Rocky Mountain National Park.
Bush loves the Rockies. He and the
Rockies have a lot in common, since they both
so dramatically divide the country
in two."
-- Bill Maher
I'd like to extend an olive branch to the Green people.
It's about the difference between goals and reality.
Two of my heroes are John Lennon and Bono from U2.
Both men teach "Love is the answer, not violence."
To me, that's a goal to which we should all aspire.
But as I recently said, if men try to kick in my door in the middle
of the night,
I will execute them on the spot, notwithstanding Lennon and Bono's
argument.
Do you see where I'm going?
Peace and love has its place, much of the time,
but not when its life and death.
Similarly, changing the world and stopping corporate greed are laudable
goals,
but not when the choices are Bush & Gore.
You can preach all day about "the corruption
and greed of both parties,"
but that thinking gave us President Weak & Stupid.
Does the system need changing? Yes.
Is trying to change the system a good thing? Yes.
Will change come faster with Bush as president?
Not on your life, and you HAVE to know that.
You keep voting with your heart, instead of looking at the math,
and that makes you Karl Rove's best friend.
Please don't be Karl Rove's best friend.
Now, would it be possible for a Green to respond to THAT
argument,
instead of quoting something you saw on a Nader bumper sticker?
Happy Birthday to...
Louise Veronica Ciccone is 43
Kathie Lee Gifford (1953)
Julie Newmar (1935)
Still the biggest star
in the world?
Kathie, wear a bra, slut.
The real Catwoman - meow
Staind - Live in Concert
I watched that Staind concert last night.
I must be old.
I didn't hear any riffs.
I didn't hear a chorus.
I never heard a melody.
It was, on first listen, a roar.
...and don't think the tattoos and piercings turned me off.
If a band has something to say and can make the instruments cry,
I'll listen.
I'm not saying Stained is bad, they just didn't stir anything.
It was alike a poor man's STP.
If this band had Scott Weiland, they'd probably rock.
...and this is the best of the new bands?
Read the Previous Issue
It had everything.
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bartcop.com
Thanks for the
fumble, Dude.
