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Tuesday    April 21, 2009 Vol 2321 - 'Walling'

Quote of the Day

"Karl Rove follows me on Twitter. 
  That's creepy." 
      -- Megan McCain, about the need 
          to take Twitter back from creepy people,    Link
 
 

 

In Today's Tequila Treehouse...
Arrow Palin's Secret Lobotomy? 
Arrow Cops Prefer Pot to Booze HOT
Arrow Two Fleet Rule Dumb ? HOT
Arrow Big Dog's secret meeting with ObamaHOT
Arrow Bush had Kids Tortured 
Arrow Bush's Tortured Legal Logic HOT
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Quotes

"Those torture memoes prove what a bunch of pushovers we Americans are. Al Qaeda kidnaps Americans, 
  tortures them, then decapitates them on TV. We deprive captives of sleep, push them into walls and put 
  harmless caterpillars that we say are poisonous in their cells. Then we're the ones who are condemned 
  as the worst human-rights violators on the planet." 
     --  The New York Whore Post,   Link
 

  What every Republican is thinking, but not saying, is this;
"They're just sand niggers, they're not like us good, white God-fearing Americans. It's OK to torture 
  sand niggers - that's why God made them dark so we'd know who was OK to torture and who wasn't."
 

 Hey Jesus, tell them torture is wrong - go ahead.
 What?  You're in too much pain to speak?  Really?

 Rush Limbaugh says, 'Nobody ever died from torture,"
 so do us a favor and stop pretending it hurts, OK?
 

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Did Palin get a Secret Lobotomy?
 Or was she always a clownish, vindictive amateur?

 Link

 Excerpt:
Levi Johnston, a 19-year-old with a perhaps undeserved reputation as a backwoods simpleton, has done what Obama and Biden 
and sneering liberals and cringing conservatives couldn’t: He has killed off Sarah Palin as a serious contender for the next Republican 
presidential nomination. And I have to say, this depresses the hell out of me.

ha ha
If Palin is the best your side has, depression is the least of your troubles.

By now everyone knows about Johnston’s on-again, off-again romance with Palin’s daughter Bristol. During the campaign, the fact that 
Bristol was pregnant with Johnston’s child sparked a minor culture war, with pro-lifers rallying to the Palin family’s defense while a coalition 
of censorious snobs from the left and the right blasted Bristol for her irresponsibility. Back then, the official line from the Palins was that Levi 
and Bristol were getting married (But only the idiots bought that super-lame promise of the future. Why didn't they fly to Vegas 
the day after the world found out she was preggers?  The answer?  They were never getting married - ever) —and indeed, Levi 
had an elaborate finger tattoo to prove it. At the time, I found the Bristol-Levi story incredibly affecting. Here were two kids who were 
probably in over their heads, but they were trying to make it work. And here is this big, sprawling, weird, wonderful American family that 
had their backs during this wrenching time. Palin came across as a different kind of Republican, and her slightly messy life seemed to prove it.

Since returning to Alaska, one can’t help but get the impression that Palin is a clownish, vindictive amateur.
 

Hey, if this is how the GOP sees Palin now, let's have more articles like this.
Polls show Palin in the lead for 2012 - I'm looking forward to a 40-state landslide Democratic victory.
 

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 Subject: intent to rape?

 I say this facetiously, but, does this now mean that RAPE is legal? 
If one were to commit a rape, I would think that their INTENT 
was to relieve themselves or gain some pleasure from it
.
Who can say that there INTENT was to HARM the individual?

Slipperiest slope I've seen in a long time. Defense Lawyers dream, most crimes 
would be forgiven if this scenario were universal.  Obama told us that no-one was 
above the Law, and then he helps to shield the previous Administration from that Law. 
Disappointing is mild.
 Sandman
 

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Quotes

"We've got all these foreclosures, we've got all these people laid off. We should be behind Obama 110 percent, 
  hoping he's successful. And I just thought it was unpatriotic and basically bullshit for Rush Limbaugh and that 
  idiot Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and all those idiots to not root for this guy." 
     --  Charles Barkley, and if you disagree, walk up and explain it to him,    Link
 

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Cops Prefer Pot to Booze

 Link

 Excerpt:
Over the past four years I’ve asked police officers throughout the U.S. (and in Canada) two questions. 
When’s the last time you had to fight someone under the influence of marijuana? (Pot only, not 
pot plus a six-pack or a fifth of tequila.) My colleagues pause, they reflect. 

Their eyes widen as they realize that in their five or fifteen or thirty years 
on the job they have never had to fight a marijuana user. 

I then ask: When’s the last time you had to fight a drunk?
They look at their watches. 
 

It's maddening that all the evidence in the world - and they refuse to change their minds.

God hates pot, 
he told us himself -  with his own voice, 
and nobody wants to piss off God.
 

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Quotes

"I said 'como estas.' "  (What's up, my brother?)
   -- Obama, asked what he said to Hugo Chavez, 
 

"Ok. So what was President Obama supposed to do? Rub his neck and shoulders? 
  Throw a shoe at him? Honestly, these Republican talking heads whine about everything. Even cow farts." 
    -- Jeannette, 
 

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How Dumb is the Two Fleet Rule? 
 We can still save Detroit - if we want to

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 Excerpt:
Washington needs to allow auto makers to meet the fuel economy standards with any mix of autos made in domestic or overseas factories.

Under the nonsensical "two fleet" rule that now applies, manufacturers meet the standards separately with their "domestically" and 
"nondomestically" produced fleets. What does this have to do with making sure U.S. consumers get good mileage?    Nothing. 
It's a naked handout to the UAW at the expense of the companies and their customers.

How dumb is the two-fleet rule? Nissan, in a petition for its removal, points out foreign brands may actually minimize the domestic 
content in their U.S. cars so they can continue to count as "nondomestic."

How dumb is the rule? Chrysler might not be unraveling today if not for the two-fleet rule, the real genesis of the Hail Marys it's been 
throwing in all directions to find an electric car or a small-car partner or to merge with GM. Chrysler has a perfectly salvageable 
business making trucks, minivans, muscle cars and Jeeps -- doomed only by the lack of enough small, fuel-efficient cars to roll out 
of a UAW factory with a Chrysler emblem slapped on.
 

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Quotes

"So lemme get this straight. Obama doesn’t want to go after those who actually performed the torture 
  because they were just acting on the advice of legal counsel. And those who drafted the legal memos 
  authorizing the torture aren’t accountable, either. And those who devised the policies aren’t accountable. 
  So who the fuck is?" 
     --  misscoleopteramolly, who asks a great question.   Link
 

 How can nobody be responsible for America going torture rogue?
 

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 Subject: Tiger Woo 

Bart,

I've been a long-time reader, but I don't have a dog in this fight.

GreatKingRat wanted to know why you have such a disdain for Tiger Woods and your response was to ask, 
"Has Tiger used any of his power to help those without his talent?" 
In a word, "yes,"  but you can look up his philanthropy online yourself. 

That was poorly worded on my part. If Tiger gave some charity 75 cents, he could be called "a benefactor."
The big point, with all his hundreds of millions of dollars and all his fame and his powerful bully pulpit, he's not done 
a lot for Blacks, Asians, minorities, the poor, women - you name the group and Tiger's decided not to get involved.

I recall your animosity was due to his failure to aggressively support the acceptance of women to Augusta National. 

Well sure, that's one in a long list of causes he decided to ignore.
When greatness is "thrust upon one," isn't it one's duty to give something back?

I don't know why Tiger bowed out of the controversy, but it was and is his right to pick and choose which, if any, 
political battles he wishes to fight.  I'm not saying that he's right and you're wrong (personally, I sided with Martha Burk 
in 2005).  I just wanted to remind you where the spat originated.

Dude, I've disliked Mr. Perfect at least going back to 2001.
Tulsa was Pothole Central for years and years but when we got the US Open or some big tourney in 2001,
the city decided to pave all the roads because it wouldn't be right for Mr Perfect to be subjected to potholes.

Swear to Koresh, for 2-3 years Tulsa had thousands of orange traffic cones on every North-South street.
But what really pissed me off was the local Tiger-worshipping sports handjobs declared, 
"Tiger is soooo going to win, should we even bother to hold the tournament in the first place?"
THAT pissed me off and that's when the BartCop Hex was born and Eldrick got his ass handed to him.

But it seems to me that if you're always short-putting then you must be pretty good at getting close to the pin in the first place. 
A friend you never met...
 Rick in Stockbridge, GA
 

Rick, that was a joke. Sometimes while playing pool, you'll hear, 
"Well sure, it's easy to win when every shot is straight-in." 
 
 

 Subject: Tiger Woo 

Bart, didn't your *original* beef with Eldrick have something to do with him shunning 
Clinton's invitation to the Whit House or something?  ... Wait -- here it is:

 Excerpt:
Eldrick turned down an offer from President Clinton to attend a ceremony in honour of the late Jackie Robinson. 
Tiger offered no explanation for what must go down as the mother of all snubs though his agent strained credulity 
when he said that Tiger "found it a little curious that he wasn't important enough to be with the President until he won the Masters".

That's it, remember, Bart?
 - pipe
 

Right - Tiger didn't seem to grasp the idea that the winner goes to the White House.

I guess Tiger considers himself "special" before the tournament starts, but that's not how it works. 
Snubbing his president and snubbing the man who broke the race barrier in baseball were bad PR moves. 

If it wasn't for brave men like Jackie Robinson, Tiger might only be allowed at Augusta as a caddy 
and he seems to not understand that.  With all his hundreds of millions of dollars, Tiger might break off
a few bucks and hire a PR person who could steer him away from such monster gaffes.

Oh, and for a man who has kids for fans, have you ever heard such a foul mouth?
 

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Big Dog's secret meeting with Obama HOT
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 I like this story a lot.
 

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 Subject: punishing the torturers

Hey Bart,

Obama has backed away from prosecuting the torturers at the CIA because he has to. 
It is political.  The CIA is a valuable asset. 
They can be very belligerent toward Obama and reticent to help him. 
They may cooperate, but they can make it a pain in the ass for Obama to get their help.

That could be considered treasonous, but what recourse would he have?  Fire the CIA? Clean house? 

He has opened the door and now it is possible for someone else, who doesn’t depend on the CIA 
for security and intel, to look into prosecuting.  At the very least, it is now out in the open, showing the 
nation and the world what a sick bunch of bastards the previous administration was.
 GKR
 

I get that and I agree.
I'd be happy for seeing those who gave the orders face justice, but that'll never happen. 
Unlike the helpless, pitifull, backstabbing Democrats, the Republicans would NEVER let their man go on trial - ever.
 

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Bush had Kids Tortured 

 Link

 Excerpt:
Bush torture memos provide new insight into claims that they used insects to torture the young children of Khalid Mohammed.

In the memos, Bush's White House Office of Legal Counsel offered its endorsement of CIA methods that involved insect, 
confined box with detainees. Jay S. Bybee, then-director of the OLC, wrote that insects could be used to capitalize on detainees’ fears.
The memo was dated Aug. 1, 2002.  Mohammed’s kids were captured and held in Pakistan the following month.

While an additional memo released Thursday claims that the torture with insects technique was never utilized by the CIA, 
the allegations regarding the children would have transpired when the method was authorized by the Bush bastards.

At a military tribunal in 2007, the father of a Guantanamo detainee said Pakistani guards said American interrogators 
used ants to coerce the children of Khalid Mohammed into revealing their father’s whereabouts.
 

I am so ashamed of what Bush did to America.


 

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 Subject: Obama not prosecuting torture...

Bart, you wrote:

> But, as always, I have to remember the important question, "Compared to who?"
> However bad the torturing was, it has stopped.
> Things are certainly better than they were under torturer Fuhrer Bush.

How about "compared to evil george"?  After all, how do we know the torturing has stopped?  Obama said so? 

I choose to believe Obama when he says 'the torture has stopped.'

Evil george said we didn't torture, as well, even though we did. 
Obama's stance on the subject qualifies as "silence" and silence is tacit approval. 
Failure to prosecute means the very best Obama can say is that America doesn't torture...for now. 
But - "looking forward" - some future administration can now use dubya's "precedents" to resume at will.

Now the argument is being converted into "should we prosecute the CIA torturers" and it SHOULD be 
"should we prosecute those responsible for the policies".  You cut off the head to kill the snake. 
Obama won't prosecute the bushies responsible for torture, he supports the illegal wire-taps, 
arguing the king can't be sued, and he's still trying, apparently, to pick and choose who gets their day 
in court and who's day would be a threat to "national security". 

That's not change I can believe in. 
It's "no-change I'd damn well better accept!"

SEVERELY disappointed,
 Mark in Santa Rosa
 

Mark, the alternative is to say, "Bush and Obama are the same," and I can't go there.
For all we know, Obama's plan is to let that dishrag Leahy hold hearings.

Then, maybe when the facts come out, Obama will say, "We cannot ignore this evidence"
and get something going.
 

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Weinerboy sues DHS 
 Over their "rightwing extremism" report

 Link

 Excerpt:
Conservatives' furor over a recent Department of Homeland Security report warning law enforcement that the political 
and economic situation might help potentially violent rightwing extremist groups recruit new members shows no signs of abating. 
In the latest move against DHS, radio host Michael Savage joined with a conservative Christian legal group, the Thomas More 
Law Center, to file suit against DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and Attorney General Eric Holder.
 

So, the report says, "Right-wing Nazis can be dangerous," and Savage replies, "We are not?"
Why doesn't Savage understand that he's calling himself a right-wing Nazi?

And when the report says, "Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive
to rightwing extremists,"  Savage is going to lead the charge that combat skills aren't helful in combat? 

Hey Weinieboy - I hear there's a new Wax Museum in San Fransisco.
Don't they have some liberal statues that need to be sexually molested by a big, brave man like you?


 

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 Subject: Obama not prosecuting torture--yet?

My suspicion about torture is that Obama is letting this information out slowly enough to get people pissed off. 
The people who have already accepted it was wrong are supposed to be frustrated, angry, activist. 
The delay is for everyone else. It gets people acquainted with the breakdown:

Torture happened.

It was not somehow "clean" because Bybee, Yoo, et al sanctioned it.

It never is clean, nor are the outcomes easy.

It doesn't work.  When it seems to work, a cloud is cast over the intelligence received. It poisons trials and sentencing. 
And rumors of it are disastrous to our national reputation, and that blows back on our troops.

It make take a while for people to grasp all of that in full--there's a lot of denial out there. The slow approach lets us
get over the hump of recognition, and when the people demand things, like Judge Bybee being impeached, or an investigation, 
or Special Counsel, the White House is a little more insulated from the right-wing crybabies who would just holler 
"Partisan vendetta! No fair!" if Obama were to initiate it himself.

Or there's my optimistic face on it.
Cheers,
 Vixen Strangely
 

Let's hope that's the plan.
 

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 Subject: 2009 World Series of Poker

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Quotes

"Obama's doing well enough, but if his base keeps sniping at him, come 2012 you might be 
  complaining about President Palin and VP Huckabee, with Pat Robertson as Sec of Def." 
     -- taken from comments made by ApprxAM,    Link
 

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 Subject: How many teabaggers?

Bart,

Faux News says that 800,000 people "joined in" to the teabag party? 
It looked to me like there were about 100 "parties," with about 800  people average -- that's 80,000, not 800,000. 
Maybe "joined in" means  "knew someone who participated"?
 Russ 
 

The whore media will always downplay the Left's protests (they refused to cover 
 some protests against Bush) and they will always play up protests against a Democrat.

That's why they're called whores - the "news" is for sale. 
 

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Obama's 'Dangerous' handshake 

 Link

 Excerpt:
Former Speaker and current scumbag Newt Gingrich tore into Obama Monday for shaking the hand
of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, saying Obama is bolstering the "enemies of America.” 

The delusional Gingrich was on a number of talk shows comparing Obama to Carter for the smiling, 
hearty handshake he offered Chavez, who correctly called Fuhrer Bush "The Devil" a couple of years ago. 


Her means it's wrong when a Democrat does it.

“Frankly, this does look a lot like Jimmy Carter. Carter tried weakness, and the world got tougher and tougher, 
because the predators, the aggressors, the anti-Americans, the dictators – when they sense weakness, 
they all start pushing ahead,” Gingrich said on “Fox & Friends.” 

Note: All the hostages came home alive under Carter.

Obama smacked Gingrich down with his quiet aplomb. 

“It's unlikely that as a consequence of me shaking hands or having a polite conversation with Mr. Chavez 
that we are endangering the strategic interests of the United States,” Obama told braindead WH reporters.. 
“I don't think anybody can find any evidence that that would do so. Even within this imaginative crowd, I think you 
would be hard-pressed to paint a scenario in which U.S. interests would be damaged as a consequence of us having 
a more constructive relationship with Venezuela.” 
 

ha ha
That's gotta suck, if you're a Fascist dog.
 

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 Subject: Whoa!!

WhoaWhoaWhoa!

PLEASE make it clear that Texas is NOT planning to leave the union. 

It's just a bunch of bloviating and grandstanding by a very few wingnuts in the statehouse who wanted attention. 
They were laughed at and it was over.  None of the media down here is even talking about it - it's a non-issue.. 
It's like all the rest of the wingnuts making mountains out of mole-hills and trying to start a panic over....well... ANYTHING.

Seriously.  I wish people would stop freaking out over every little BS newsbyte they read.. 
Keep Slammin' the hammer..
 Chaptrabit
 

But wasn't your Governor Perry bleeting the loudest?
 

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In memory of Paul Harvey


Gun Tawk

From what I see on TV, which I assume is semi-accurate, most New Yorkers have a heavy, 
steel-reinforced door with multiple dead bolts to keep out the bad guys.

Really?

In Oklahoma, we have glass doors that any 12-year old could penetrate,
but then they have to contend with the alarm system and whatever guns are owned.

...just curious about the differences, that's all.
 

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 Subject: "understanding the meaning of torture in less than one minute"

I'll guard the door for you.

When that bastard Rumsfeld said it was nothing to be subjected to these things as he had to 
stand around his desk all day while he worked.   Let me at that bastard and I could torture 
his ass without any of the harsh tactics 'authorized' by these bullshit law manipulators.

Locking this whole crowd in prison would be waaaay to good for them.  I would not feel 
one bit of remorse to have them tortured til the end of thier miserable lives - like Marcellus 
Wallace threatened in Pulp Fiction: "Get some pipe hittin' MFers with a blow torch."
 Chu
Still pissed! 
 
 

Stress positions alone are such torture, even without all the other stuff.

If you're in your teens, you might last an hour like this.
I'd like to see Cheney get 24 hours of this and then hear him say "It's not torture."
 

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Quotes

"After 9-11 we asked men and women in this country serving in our military and our intelligence agencies 
to go out and find bad guys. I'm always a little hesitant afterwards when we try to judge the kinds of things they did. 
That being said, we are America and we got to live up to a certain standard, and I think what the president did 
was strike the right balance in how they went about dealing with this." 
    -- Harold Ford, who might be another Lieberman,    Link
 

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Your Plane crashes in the Mountains

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You have to eat a pundit to survive - who goes first?
 

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 Subject: BCR in my car

Bart, if you have time would you again tell me how to record your radio shows to a CD. 
You told me in one email but cannot find the email with that info.  Must have deleted it. 
I know that you are very busy.  It is hard to get a computer tech in this small town to help 
with this sort of thing, and I am wanting to listen to your shows in the car. 

Keep up the excellent coverage (with humor) on your website.  Love it!!!

Sincerely,
 Gwen L
 

Gwen, the bad news is each CD burner is different, but you start by right-clicking on a show link.
Your computer will ask where to save it - you can put it anywhere, even directly onto C:.

Then you open your CD Burner, put a blank in the tray and drag or select the radio show file
into the onscreen place where your CD burner program designates and hit "Burn CD."

You might need a neighborhood kid to help - they know everything.
 

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How Bush's Tortured Legal Logic Won
  by the sane Robert Parry

  Link

 Excerpt:
Almost as disturbing as reading the Bush administration’s approved menu of brutal interrogation techniques is recognizing 
how Bush successfully shopped for government attorneys willing to render American laws meaningless by turning words inside out.

The four “torture” memos, released Thursday, revealed not just that the stomach-turning reports about CIA interrogators abusing
“war on terror” suspects were true, but that the United States had gone from a “nation of laws” to a “nation of legal sophistry” 
– where conclusions on law are politically preordained and the legal analysis is made to fit...

If legal language can be interpreted any way that a President wishes – and if the U.S. Supreme Court is stocked with 
like-minded judges – then laws will no longer protect anyone, whether a suspected terrorist or an American citizen."
 

Good point.

If you can say "Beating a man's head against a brick wall is not torture," then you can say
"Hanging a man until his heart stops is not murder."

If we don't have a trial, won't every Fascist dog president make up his own laws?
 

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 Subject: Re: No torture prosecutions 

Obama, having released many of the legal memoranda supposedly allowing torture, at briefly raised the hopes of those 
concerned that government cannot and will not check its own abuses of power.  However, Obama, by issuing public statements 
that it will not prosecute those who carried out torture, if they relied on the legal memoranda to protect them.  If the Nuremberg 
trials taught the world anything, it is that the defense of “just following orders” in committing acts that all civilized people recognize 
as crimes, would be brushed aside as insufficient in the tribunals of international law.

By publicly refusing to prosecute torturers and implicitly refusing to prosecute those who issued the orders and twisted the legal 
framework for those orders, the new administration has shown that it is helpless and unmotivated to prevent the heirs of Washington, 
Jefferson, Adams and Lincoln stopping torture and murder on their own soil. The moral fiber that founded this nation and saw it 
through civil war, two world wars and the Great Depression quails from indictments for torture and murder on the grounds that it 
would be politically inconvenient and impolite.  The new administration has shown that it is no more knowledgeable about the 
rule of law than the last administration.
 E.L. Deflagrante
 

EL, I hope you're wrong.
Obama's day is not yet done.
Maybe he's waiting for America to DEMAND torture trials?

Last thing he can appear to be is eager to hang Bush.
In 2013, they'll probably be eager to hang him.

Maybe he's smarter than we think.
 

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 Subject: Sink ONLY the Pirates 50 Miles Offshore 

Of course, let's only sink the pirates, and of course a fishing boat looks completely different from a 16-foot speedboat. 
It's a great idea, but a lousy plan. The problem is the speedboats don't have the range to get out that far, they are usually 
deployed from "mother ships" that are often converted fishing trawlers. How are we going to tell the difference between
a fishing boat headed home with its catch and a pirate trawler headed home with its plunder?

Case in point:
"Sunken 'pirate ship' was actually Thai trawler, owner says"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/11/25/thai.trawler.india.navy/index.html

Thanks for not putting me in Monkey Mail,
-JVogel  from yesterday
 

So let's use the satellites to follow the speedboats to their mother ship.
Then we torpedoe* it and see who wants to swim to an American trial for piracy.

Plus, I don't want to hear any talk of "international law prevents us from taking action."

Fuck that.
 

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