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 Tuesday  May 19, 2009  Vol 2337 - Hux Chips 

Quote of the Day

"It doesn't hurt us, it helps us." 
      -- John Boehner, lying about Cheney speaking out,    Link

  John, we think it helps, too.
  Please have Cheney continue talking until the next election.


In Today's Tequila Treehouse...
Arrow Why the Caged Bird Sang 
Arrow NRA meeting = GOP rally HOT
Arrow Politico Caught Lying HOT
Arrow Dowd Caught Stealing HOT
Arrow The Gay Marriage Debate 
Arrow GOP Losses Mounting HOT
Arrow XM-Sirius Radio Alert 
Arrow Barbara Stoyanoff 



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"If it's 2012 and our party is defined by Palin and Limbaugh and Cheney, 
  then we're headed for a blowout. That's just the truth."
     -- John Weaver, a top adviser to Utah Governor John Huntsman,    Link

  Shhh, the Republicans might hear you...

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Why the Caged Bird Sang
 by my good friend William Rivers Pitt


The Cheney clan is not known for their restraint when it comes to launching a verbal carpet-bombing campaign, but even for them, 
this is flame-thrower language. Ron Elving's explanation is almost certainly accurate, but only to a point. His analysis leaves off the 
one central and defining motive behind Cheney's thunderous defense of himself and the activities of his administration.

He was scared, I think. He was scared the real stuff is going to come out. He was scared of the universal damnation that will 
come down upon him if the truth comes out. Finally, I believe he was scared of going to prison.

But why? The American public has been aware of our use of torture for some time now. The Obama administration has made it 
all too clear that they have strong reservations about prosecuting the architects of the Bush administration's torture policy, 
and that any meaningful actions along those lines are highly unlikely to be taken.

Why, then?

It is because Cheney knew, when he began his media assault, that the worst of the horrors inflicted upon detainees at his specific 
command are not yet widely known. If the real stuff comes into full public light, he feared the general outrage will be so furious and 
all-encompassing that the Obama administration will have no choice but to reverse itself and seek prosecutions of those Bush-era 
officials who specifically demanded those barbaric acts be inflicted upon prisoners.

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"I think that peobably Obama is somewhat more analytical, and he makes sure he hears from everybody in the room on an issue. 
  And if they donít speak up, he calls on them.   Bush was interested in hearing different points of view but didnít go out of 
  his way to make sure everybody spoke if they hadnít spoken up before."  
     -- Robert Gates, asked to compare his last two bosses,   Link

"Look at what happened to people who spoke up in the Bush administration. Generale Shinsiceki spoke up and was fired. 
  Paul ONeil spoke up, and was fired. Richard Clarke spoke up and was fired. George tenet kissed ass and got the medal of freedom. 
  Condi kissed ass and got to go shopping for shoes. Powell kissed ass and got to stick around becuase he spoke up in private." 
   -- Bobwurst,    Link

"President Obama is "probably...somewhat more analytical" than George Bush in the same way that Albert Einstein
 is probably somewhat more intelligent than a lima bean. A dead lima bean. A dead lima bean that's been stepped on."
    -- nygenzer,   Link

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NRA meeting becomes GOP rally


If you didn't know better, you might have thought you'd been transported back in time to last summer's GOP Nazicon 2008.
Thousands of people packed into an arena. A lineup of Republican elected officials blasting the liberal agenda of Democrats 
and the mainstream media. Boos every time Pelosi's name is mentioned. And Sen. John McCain, front and center behind the podium.
This was not, however, a Republican event. At least not officially.
It was the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association, which used its convention here in Phoenix as a platform to rally 60,000 
attendees Friday against what a lineup of speakers called a growing hostility toward gun rights under the Obama administration.
At the "Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum" in the U.S. Airways Arena, headliners ranging from McCain to Romney 
affirmed their support for the Second Amendment - often launching attacks on Democrats for wanting to limit constitutional rights."

I have a question:
Why weren't Republicans allowed to carry concealed weapons at last summer's convention?
Republicans think everyone - even children - should own and carry a gun, so why the ban?

Could it be because they were afraid some nut might take a shot at McCain?
Are they saying sometimes people with guns misbehave?

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 Subject: Re: Pelosi

Might want to chat with Mr Graham of Florida, retired senator with all the "little" notebooks full of dates and times.
His notes say what Ms Pelosi says....but I guess we can let that go...why seek the truth when we can hang her?
How Ken Starr-ish...
 Lynn in Cayucos

If someone has proof Pelosi is telling the truth - what are they waiting for?

And can we find a way to excuse her for giving Bush a blank check to commit crimes?

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"Besides filling his cabinet with militarists and members of the white establishment, he has selected very few 
  persons of color. His support for a trillion dollar bailout of Wall Street shows that he has sold out himself, 
  and the nation's poor to be a tool of the bankers. While pledging to withdraw 'combat troops' from Iraq, 
  he also promises to dramatically increase troop level in Afghanistan and also increase overall troop levels 
  by almost 100,000 warm bodies. Obama recognizes Israel's right to 'defend' itself by bombing the prisoners of Gaza."
    -- Cindy Sheehan, who conitnues to get very bad advice from someone,    Link

 So, Cindy thinks Obama is a racist?
 Cindy thinks Obama should've let the banks fail?
 Cindy thinks Obama should leave al Qaeda alone?
 Cindy thinks Obama should've solved the Middle East problem by now?

 Cindy, it may be time for you to go back to private life. 

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 Subject: Re: Pelosi

Bartcop:  Why would Nancy Pelosi have to step down if she knew about the torture? Is it a crime to know about torture? 
She may have lied about being briefed, or she may be mistaken, or maybe she wasnít mistaken. None of these things are criminal. 
It is not criminal to know about torture and do nothing unless you are one of the torturers or in the chain of command.

I havenít yet gone back and read your pages from 2001 to 2003, but my recollection is clear that we assumed they were torturing. 
The mind plays tricks, but am I wrong? We assumed it was going on.

Letís investigate who ordered and knew about and committed the torture. 
Without any grants of immunity on the table.
 E.L. Deflagrante

In many/most states it's a crime to know about a serious crime and not report it.
Tim McVeigh's friend went to prison for not dropping a dime on his Republican ass.

But Pelosi should step down for telling a known criminal that he would not be brought to justice
no matter how many serious crimes he was committing at that time or in the future.

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Politico misrepresents Gallup poll


A May 17 Politico article reported that Obama "comes to Notre Dame as a new Gallup poll found that for the first time, 
the majority of Americans are anti-abortion." In fact, the Gallup poll found that a majority of Americans, 51 percent, 
identify themselves as "pro-life" -- not "anti-abortion."

I don't believe that.
IF it happened, it must've been a question that was so poorl;y worded that people got confused.

And the labels people choose to put on themselves mean nothing compared to the only question 
that counts when it comes to abortion - should women and doctors go to jail if an abortion occurs?

There's a 30-point difference there - so why did Politico lie? 

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"Obama's just the big straw that finally broke the camel's back." 
   --  alumnus David DiFranco, calling for the firing of Notre Dame's president, 
        the Rev. John Jenkins, for inviting Obama to speak,   Link

 Those Catholics set the bar on crazy, don't they?

 Of course, they'd have no problem inviting Der Monkey, 
 who holds the Western Hemisphere record for most murders...

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 Subject: Pelosi freak-out

Did Nancy sign anything authorizing torture? 
did she write any legal briefs? send any memos? 
was she part the whole deal from the word go?. 
C'mon - I'm not her biggest fan, but let's all get some perspective here. 
 Jimmy Mack

We could make a long list of the crimes Pelosi didn't commit
but she still gave Bush permission to commit all the crimes he wanted.

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 Subject: Stabbed in the back by Democrats

Pelosi's story has been consistent.

I disagree.
It's possible her story has been - technically - consistent, but I saw her flounder and flop around
about what she knew, but she didn't really know, they said they had torture in the bag of tricks 
but didn't really plan on using it, but then someone told an aide, but not her, etc.

It sounded worse than a nine year old boy explaining how the window got broken.
For me, it was the worst stumbling at a let-me-explain-myself news conference in many years.
Larry Craig's Minneapolis Men's Room account was more convincing.

When water-boarding or other torture methods were first admitted to being used the ranking Democrat 
on the committee that was overseeing this filed a protest.  Pelosi had moved up and Harmon was in that role.

We should not be killing our own just because the Republicans target one of us.  

That's an odd sentence.
I assume you wrote it when you were upset?
Am I the type of guy who wants to "kill our own" if a Rethug "targets a Democrat?"

The GOP is lying.  The media is lying in plain view.

You won't get any argument from me on that, but I saw the press conference.
If Pelosi is innocent, it's the worst example of telling the truth I've ever seen.

There is absolutely no evidence presented that contradicts Pelosi.  None.
There is evidence only that a crappy document was made up after the fact.

I think her own words present the worst case against her.
She has a lot of trouble getting and keeping her story straight.

The media is lying when they claim Panetta is disagreeing with Pelosi.  
He is not saying the CIA is telling the truth when the document is presented as proof.  
He said very carefully (weasely) that the CIA doesnít make a habit of lying to congress.

Iím getting tired of people  - yes this time I mean to include you Ė stab Pelosi in the back.  
She is standing up to the GOP and we attack her.

What is wrong with us?


Pelosi is the one screaming the loudest that torture is wrong 
and standing up to the current president who wants to ignore it.

To be a big fan of Nancy Pelosi, one almost has to be a Bush-wasn't-that-bad Democrat.
How can you back the person who guaranteed Bush he wouldn't be held accountable?

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Maureen Dowd Caught Stealing


Did Maureen Dowd commit a firing offense by, she says, inadvertently lifting a paragraph from Talking Points Memo? 

Dowd's Sunday column on the debate over torture contained a paragraph taken nearly word-for-word from Josh Marshall. 
When a TPMCafe blogger pointed this out, Dowd quickly admitted error and properly attributed the relevant paragraph.  
This is the second time in two years that Dowd has been caught. Last year Dowd got into hot water for not attributing 
the reporting work of her assistant. 

Her claim is that a friend must've read TPM and then mentioned the paragraph to Dowd without attribution.
But the definition of plagiarism is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author 
and the representation of them as one's own original work."

So it doesn't matter of Dowd stole from TPM or her imaginary "friend."
In either case, she presented the words as her own when she clearly knew they weren't.

Plus, there was maybe one word that was different, which means Dowd AND her
imaginary friend both have a photographic memory - which is kinds hard to buy.

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The Gay Marriage Debate



We live in truly enlightened times. Miss California Carrie Prejean and Perez Hilton, traded barbs over gay marriage. 
Now the very universe sits rapt as a walking air mattress and a human glory hole engage in an incessant bitchfight
over an issue that neither of them really cares about. Behold the first ever pissing contest between an over privileged 
white bitch and the most fey gay since Liberace...

In the defense of marriage corner stands Ms. Prejean, toting a surname straight out of a Louisiana swamp. Prejean is a 
staunch fundamentalist ChristianÖwho takes racy photos in her spare time and even harangued pageant officials for a 
more voluptuous set of tits, which they dutifully supplied. Iíll bet money that this blonde simpleton never met a married man 
she didnít like. But thatís OK, because theyíll have biblically sanctioned sex; you know, a man and a woman in the bathroom 
stall of a bar, just after doing coke off of each otherís asses. Sheís a romantic!

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Subject: Obama disappoints the Left

Hey Bart:
I agree with you when you said:
> Many Obama voters saw him as the "perfect" candidate and it turns out he's human.
Too bad you and other bloggers, political pundits, the DNC, and the MSM didn't show the same fair openmindedness 
when it came to evaluating Hillary during the primary.  After all, she's human too, but everyone still expected her to be perfect 
and would attack her at any misstep, no matter how small.  For certain, no one would have ever given her all the free passes 
and lame excuses if she had flip-flopped on such major campaign issues as much as Obama has been doing lately.  

The way I read that - you accused me of pointing out Hillary's flaws and expecting her to be perfect?
There were so many hundreds of people doing that, I didn't feel the need.

Of course, all the Obama supporters have to say in response to those who bring up 
these inconvenient truths are "sore loser", "just get over it" and my favorite -- "racist". 
A little too much deja-vu between the Bush and Obama camps, don't you think?

*I* certainly didn't like being called a racist, but I have no problem saying that these handjob states that are 
trying to secede are doing so because Obama is Black and they can't see themselves being governed by "one of them."

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"If you want to see the PittsburgH Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl. 
  As far as I'm concerned, Obama would've invited Arizona if they had won."
     -- super-stupid linebacker James Harrison, who thinks just like Tiger Woods,    Link

 Hey Moron, the winner gets invited to the White House.
 How can you be an adult in sports and not know that?
 You say Obama woud've invited Arizona if they'd won?
 Gee, did some teammates help you out with that difficult leap?

 No president can invite every loser in the country to the White House.
 And why would Obama give a crap about meeting you?

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 Nearly All Demographic Groups Hate Them


The decline and fall of the Republican Party in recent years has been so widespread that the party has lost support 
among nearly every major demographic subgroup of likely voters across the country, according to a new Gallup poll,
but they lie so there's no telling what the real facts are.

The party lost support among a broad swath of Americans, from conservative to liberal, low-income to high-income, 
married to unmarried, and elderly to young. The only subgroup in which the party saw a slight increase in support from 
2001 to 2009 was frequent churchgoers.

Churchgoers are the people who are most behind the Bush/Cheney torture program.
How about that!  
Bush & Cheney's support with pro-torture voters is up slightly.

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 Subject: the Petroleum link to Viagra need?

Hey Barto-novichsckiewicz:
Couldn't help but notice in the Tulsa World link story how many of those top 10 cities 
(Lubbock, Arlington, Ft. Worth, Bakersfield, Anchorage, and Tulsa) had more than a big foot in the petroleum industry?  
Perhaps all the fumes/chemicals of the drilling/extraction process are causing rumpled roots above natural grade level, too?
 Blaise in San Diego

I think a more logical explanatiin would be people tend to retire in warm weather.

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Subject: Randi Rhodes

Bart, you must not have any Irish in 'ya.

Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz and all those assholes who smeared Bill
and Hillary during the primary, calling them racists etc.,  are dead to me.
Fuck 'em and I personally want nothing to do with 'em ever again!
They can kiss my Irish ass and go to blazes.

If you can tell me any of them have offered any kind of sincere apology for their despicable behavior,
I will listen and watch them again. Not a second before.
 Charles F

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 Subject: Specter

Bart, Pennsylvania has a sore loser law.

If you ran in the primary, you canít run in the general as an  independent.
Weíre stuck with the old fraud.
 Regards, Tom

At least he's a Democrat now :):

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