Hillary seems to have taken a page from Karl Rove’s playbook that calls for attacking
opponents at the point of their perceived greatest strength. Clinton is trying to make
Obama look like a hypocrite for highlighting
his opposition to the Iraq War.
In effect, she is trying to transform a major
Obama positive into a negative.
But what of Obama isn't 100% honest about his past positions on the war?
Would it be "a page from Karl Rove's playbook" to ask that question?
running on his "war purity" (Parry's words, not mine) he damn well
better be on
solid ground because his entire campaign is based on his "better judgment."
"If the two major parties nominate McCain and Clinton – the overriding message
that no one will pay a serious political price for handing George W. Bush
a blank check for war in 2002."
What's Parry saying here?
Is he saying anyone who "voted for the war" shouldn't run for the presidency?
But if you were younger, and didn't have a vote, that makes you qualified?
McCain is the senate hawk on this war - it's not fair to say "McCain and Hillary,"
as tho Hillary has been bragging about how safe it is to walk around Baghdad.
Gene Lyons says "Their voting records
are extremely similar,"
so what's got Robert Parry so upset - if it's not her voting record?
And elsewhere within the U.S. political and media establishments, virtually all
the architects and all the apologists for the war will continue to profit from their
positions while avoiding any meaningful accountability.
Calling Dr. Freud, calling Dr, Freud - we may have made a breakthru!!
Parry doesn't want Hillary "rewarded" with the White House?
She should pay a political price? And she should pay it right damn now?
Would Bob have the same demands if, ...say, ...Biden was our nominee?
I don't remember Parry pounding on pro-war John Kerry in the '04 election.
I wonder why that is? Why do women have to pay the price, but not men?
How is Hillary attacked for her pre-war vote, but Kerry got let off the hook in '04?
Plus Kerry was Skull and Bones with Bush - did Parry seek to punish him?
I wonder why the only person expected to pay a price is Hillary?
"Finally, a caution, if not a warning, to President Clinton, Senator Clinton and
their campaign advisors: You run the risk of dissipating, corrupting, if not destroying,
the justifiably deserved and accumulated positive capital and goodwill you have earned
among black people from President and Senator Clinton's own history of struggle for
racial justice... The Clinton presidential campaign's apparent blind ambition for power
runs the risk of destroying Clinton's reservoir of earned political integrity and affection
among black people." -- Clarence B. Jones, self-appointed know-it-all, wehateclintons.com
This Clarence Jones character really knows how to make a bad impression.
Who is he to bark a warning at our best president ever?
Sidebar: Congrats to Arianna for being able to find a black Clinton-hater.
In his 'lil attack piece for Arianna, Jones claims "many" took Hillary's
factual statement that it took a president to make civil rights legislation
law as "racially insensitive."
How cowardly for you to speak for "many" blacks.
Are you not able to speak for yourself?
Distorted application or misappropriation of his legacy for self serving
political purposes by any candidate besmirches this legacy.
Did you just say Dr King could've pushed civil rights legislation thru congress
in 1965 without the help of LBJ? I'm not sure, but that sounds like crazy-talk
Mr Jones, you have apparently fallen victim to Bush's whore press.
I suggest you get your facts straight before issuing your next Presidential Warning.
You might start by listening to BCR Show 133, up later today.
And next time, think before you write and do a better job of choosing your words.
You're probably a good guy, but you got your facts wrong and now
everybody knows it.
And Arianna, you're such a whore.
Your entire career is predicated on a Hillary victory in November.
You failed at hitching your political star to a gay Republican husband
and you failed miserably when you ran for governor of Culli-fornia
so you turn around and attach yourself to Hillary's coattails?
First, the Democrat's forgot the electoral math. Though Bill Clinton managed
four Southern states from the GOP, Hillary, Obama and and Edwards
be mistaken for Bill in the Red States.
Second, Christian evangelicals are still politically dangerous to any Democrat.
Third is John McCain, whose touting of immigration reform when all other GOP
candidates shrilly railed against it will get him a hearing among some Latino activists.
The Latino vote makes up a large and growing percentage of the vote in the equally
crucial must-win states of New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona and Nevada.
Isn't it nice that Arianna is publishing advice on how the GOP can beat us?
“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,” Huckabee told
a Michigan audience on Monday. “But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution
than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — to
amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards
so it lines up with some contemporary view.”
Religious insanity is the biggest problem in the world today.
Let's not make insanity mandatory.
I have been thinking about "hope" lately.
Obama literally wrote the book on the subject but never accurately explains what hope really is.
Hope is what one does when one has no control over the outcome. Hope is what you do when
you haven't worked hard enough toward a goal but are wishing for a miracle that will benefit
in the end. Hope is the last resort for those without the stones to fight, for those too meek to demand.
The audacity of hope? Really? I would rather be certain than hopeful.
I would rather take a position on an issue than monopolize a connotative word like "hope" and
hope for the best. What does that mean anyway, "hope for the best?" Isn't that what the Devil Rays
do when they face the Yankees. The Devil Rays suck ass but they hope that the Yankees will have
a bad day. The skill of the Devil Rays has nothing to do with it. They're are just hoping the Yankees
will make a mistake. Where does their hope get them? A mountain of losses.
Don't hope for the best. Grow a pair and make the best a reality. MLK may have had hope but he
didn't rely on it to see his dream become a reality he worked hard, marched, protested, boycotted,
got tear gassed, attacked by dogs, sprayed with fire hoses, lobbied politicians, appealed to people's
consciences and that is what changed America for the better. If all MLK did was sit back and hope
and give nothing but speaches about hope men like Obama would still be using a different bathroom
than me at the airport.
Go beyond hope and get off your ass and do something;
actually take a stand on the issues and fight for that belief.
"The candidacy of Senator Barack Obama may just be part of the
Promised Land that Martin believed we as a people would get to,"
-- that Clarence Jones character again, wehateclintons.com
"Horseshit!" -- Bartcop
So, Clarence gives us his Nancy Grace Guarantee that MLK would've endorsed Obama?
I thought it wasn't about skin color, Mr. Jones.
Note: Obama was seven years old when Dr King died. For all Martin knew,
been another Armstrong Tom Williams, taking cash payments
from the vilest of all
to publish that which he KNEW was a lie to further enslave his fellow African-Americans.
No, Mr. Jones, it's not about the color of one's skin and I don't like your attitude.
Attempting to shame blacks into voting for a black man sounds, ...racial to me.
I suggest you stop speaking for "many"
and stop speaking for Dr. King
and start speaking for your own damn self.
Bart, I would add to your challenge of Obama supporters:
Say something other than -- "It's all on his website."
The website is nothing more than a stump speech in writing;
Explain why he has missed so many votes in the Senate -- sure seems like
he doesn't want to take positions, which leads me to my next point;
What has he done lately???
When answering the experience question, his supporters go back to some things
did in local and state politics and the ever popular Magna Cum Laude in law school.
Did he ever work as in a firm and actually practice the law -- and I'm not talking
about winning a big case, I'm talking about the every day tedium of doing a job and
learning how to actually negotiate with others to get real work done, not just some
pie-in-the-sky esoteric debate.
He keeps saying he's the anti-war candidate. Again, all he did was make a speech.
She actually had to vote. I'm as anti-war as they come, but I understand why she
voted the way she did -- because she works in real world body where your actions
have real world consequences. Maybe she wasn't as sure as some of us were that
Bush was a liar. If I were in her position and my vote actually affected national
security, even though I oppose war in any form, I might have done the same
she did, hoping that I was supporting the greater good. That's what grown ups do.
If Obama had actually voted and not abstained, I'm guessing his vote would
been exactly the same as hers. Every vote on the war since then has been.
The thing is, when yo`u are President, you can't abstain.
You have to actually
take a position and stick with it, you also have to
compromise and work with
others in the real world to get things done.
We need someone who has real world experience to get us out of this mess.
Hillary is that person. Obama is not.
Any Obama people or Edwards people want to rebutt this?
Easy on the language (and not too long) and I'll try to print it.
Hillary can take the slime, she's been dealing with it for almost 20 years, now.
They are going to tear Obama apart if he is the nominee. I like Obama, but in
so many ways, Hillary has much more experience-politically, diplomatically, etc.
I hope Obama is the nominee in a future election, after he gets some more experience
under his belt. His speech at the 2004 convention was probably the best I've ever heard
given live (It's difficult to top the recordings of JFK and MLK that I had to listen to in
high school speech class). When it was reprinted in the paper the next day, I cut it out
and it still hangs on my refrigerator.
I voted for Hillary in the Michigan primaries, despite the meaningless nature of the event.
I waited 25 years to vote for a woman, I wasn't going to miss the chance.
I agree - Obama should make a great candidate in 2016.
Excerpt: "The reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president,
the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around."
In the debate, Matthews focused obsessively on the appearances of Clinton and Michelle Obama
to the point that Andrea Mitchell (R-Whore) reminded him that they are both respected lawyers.
"Every day, there's another quote out there from somebody
who's a wannabe, saying
the Clinton people told them to say apparently."
Then, Matthews asked: "Aren't you appalled
at the willingness of these
people to become castratos in the eunuch chorus here?"
"Some people whore themselves
Me, I always demand,
and usually get, my $20 fee."
You made a statement that "Even Jesus Christ sinned. . . ."
I just don't know where you got that. Unless it's an assumption that you've made
based upon a rejection of the prinicipal that anything in the Bible could be accurate,
or a misreading of the Bible like Zappa's old "tree of knowledge" error, the whole
purpose behind the Gospel is directly contrary to what you stated.
The nuns told us Jesus was human - humans don't sin?
What about the time he sassed his mother?
What about the time he lost his temper and took a giant stick
and wrecked the tables that the merchants set up inside the temple?
I guess you can get away with anything if your dad has power?
Jesus was without sin, yet took our just punishment upon himself on the cross.
I'm curious - who asked him to do that? I damn sure didn't.
I don't like being born with "Original sin" that *I* didn't commit.
I think a not-too-bright person wrote these fairy tales.
If he wasn't without sin, then his death would have been meaningless.
I'm glad you said that and not me :)
Through Christ's perfect sacrifice, and our own acceptance of His Lordship,
our sins are forgiven. Once forgiven, in God's eyes it is like they never existed.
And if our sins don't exist anymore, then we are "perfect."
Christ's "sacrifice" came with a guarantee that he'd rise from the dead in 3 days.
If a soldier in Iraq throws his body on a grenade to save his platoon, he has no
such guarantee so
I think he
sacrificed more than Jesus did on his "lost weekend."
It is in that sense that Gov. Huckleberry was claiming that we must be perfect.
He wasn't suggesting that we actually need to be perfect ourselves, but that we
must become perfect in the eyes of God through Christ's sacrifice.
So, Huck was being clever with his words?
I hate that in a self-styled "holy man."
I won't be voting for him (as you probably figured out by my derisive
reference to his name). I'm still pulling for Hillary.
I guess we should phase this offer out. Nobody has a page that changes often and needs to be seen by dozens?
If FOX News had been here in 1965...
Subject: Obama and Hillary
You have to look hard to find anything that Clinton and Obama don't agree on.
So there's really no way to choose between them based on the issues. So what it
comes down to is - which Democrat is going to win against the Republicans?
Some people are afraid of Hillary because the Republicans will get mean and dirty
and Democrats don't like to fight dirty. But the Republicans are going to get dirty
no matter who the candidate is.
Look what they did to Al Gore!
Look what they did to John Kerry!
So if anyone thinks that the Republican are going to be nice to Obama
-- all I can say is, you have a lot more "hope" than I do.
If Democrats are going to win we are going to have to elect the man who is our
toughest candidate. Gore and Kerry were not tough enough to beat Bush.
Is Obama tougher that Gore and Kerry? No!
But is Hillary tougher than Gore and Kerry?
Yes she is!
This election, our best man is a woman.
Suzanne Malveaux falsely claimed that Obama had said that he "didn't believe that
Hillary was able to unite the country." But ...Obama never said that. Obama
believes he has "a better chance of creating a new working majority for change."
Our whore media will tell lies to turn the Dems on each other.
Anything to protect our unelected Fuhrer.
Media Matters for America counted more than eight negative remarks
made about Clinton for every positive one during September,
October and November.
Another study, by the Center for Media and Public Affairs, found that 58 per cent of
stories on Clinton on ABC, CBS, NBC and
were dominated by negative comments.
By contrast, 61 per cent of the
comments about Barack Obama were positive,
and so was 67 per cent
of the John Edwards coverage.
Some Democrats must feel dirty being in bed with liars like Malveaux, Wolf and Tweety.
I'm curious - what's it like to have liars and whores as your political allies? :)
CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and FOXvery much want Hillary to lose - I wonder why?
I can't wait until Feb 5th, when you can leave Chris Matthews's bed and you
get back into bed with a decent and honest Democrat like Ol' Bart!
Woo Hoo! Unity, come on down!
Let's plan an online Democratic Reunification Party for Feb 6th.
Everyone is invited except Arianna and her anti-democratic whore friends.
I don’t think Lady Bird Johnson will sue you for running that cartoon.
Brett from mediadefined.com
I never claimed to be an expert on sex,
and I admit I got a "C" and a "D"
in college biology,
I'm pretty sure when Lucianne Golberg blew LBJ
there was very little chance of Lady Bird getting pregnant.
A former Republican congressman was indicted Wednesday as part of a terrorist
fundraising ring that allegedly sent more than $130,000 to an al-Qaida and Taliban
supporter who has threatened U.S. and international troops in Afghanistan.
The Republican traitor, Mark Deli Siljander, was charged with money laundering,
conspiracy and obstructing justice for allegedly lying about lobbying senators on
behalf of an Islamic charity that authorities said was secretly sending funds to terrorists
but the good news is he's not gay and has never been gay.
A 42-count indictment accuses the terrorists of paying Siljander $50,000 for lobbying
-- money that turned out to be stolen from the U.S. Agency for International Development.
This Siljander traitor was appointed by Reagan to serve as a U.S. delegate to the UN.
Just think - if Clinton appointed a terrorist, ther American whore media would
start entire new TV channels just to scream, "traitor" at our best president ever.
But since it's a Reagan Republican, they bury the story on page 27D.
Bart, you were right.
Having Bill Clinton stump for you is one the greatest assets a campaign could ask for.
I am now convinced his speeches in NH had more influence than most people realize.
Bill Clinton just stopped in our shitty little northern CA town last night.
It looked like
a rock concert with people lined up in the cold for hours. Huge speakers were set up
for the 1000 people or so who were glad to wait outside. Local radio carried him live
and my family probably wasn't the only one gathered around the radio like a FDR
fireside chat. It was a weird feeling.
The man gives one hell of a speech. If he can do this for us around the world
all be better off. I'm probably still to starstruck to be objective so I'll leave it at that.
If it's Sunday, it's Meet the Press, where newsmakers go to be grilled by one of TV news's
most respected figures. If moments like the above exchange
between Russert and Richardson
seem unhelpful—even ridiculous—to you,
rest assured that Washington thinks otherwise.
Tim Russert, it is said, is tough—supertough—and wily, too, like a knuckleball pitcher.
As Jim Geraghty put it, "Every once in a while a Washington media institution really does
Meet the Press is one of them." Why? "Because Tim Russert, without commercial
interruption, will throw hardballs and curveballs for a solid half hour, and standard
tactics won't work." So Meet the Press thrives, delighting precisely the
sort of person who
doesn't realize that a hardball is a kind of ball whereas a
curveball is a kind of pitch.
Actually, the balls Russert favors may be hard, but the pitches he throws aren't curveballs,
which go someplace useful. They're sillyballs, which go somewhere pointless. Russert has
created a strike zone of his own where toughness meets irrelevance. John McCain entered
the zone last May, when he went on the show and repeatedly asserted that the Bush tax cuts
had increased the federal government's revenue. Hearing this, a tough but conscientious
journalist might have pointed out that this is demonstrably false. Russert, however, reached
for a trusty hardball and sent it sailing. McCain, he pointed out, was now supporting extending
the very same Bush tax cuts that he had once opposed.
It's like asking someone who says the world is flat why he used to say the earth was round.
In Russertland, as long as you acknowledge the contradiction, the questioner is satisfied.
"You say the world is flat, but just three years ago you said it was round."
"Yes, Tim, I used to say the world was round, but times change, and that's why I support
the Bush administration's bill to construct a restraining wall to prevent ships from sailing
over the edge of the sea."
For starters, imagine Sen. Clinton and "co-president" Bill Clinton invited onto a
"This is Your Life" talk show where they're joined by Juanita Broaddrick,
Willey, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky."
Imagine Bush on "This is Your Life" when 4,000 dead soldiers show up. This is how we pick a president?
How would ANY man look under a microscope after a religiously-insane partisan
bastard was appointed by crooked judges to head an investigation that had unlimited time,
unlimted money and unlimited scope, including
the power to send people to prison
who refused to give them dirt on the innocent man being investigated?
The Clintons are - by far - the most investigated people in history and what was found?
Bill had an eye for the ladies.
Boo-fucking-hoo, I'm crying my eyes out.
If we put Obama under that same microscope, would he still be "pure?"
Is Obama, then, the ideal Democratic candidate for president? Hardly.
His policy recommendations are the opposite of "change."
But Obama is, at least, likeable.
Well so was Bush, back when he was just executing Texans by the hundreds.
We gambled on a "likeable" guy that we didn't know - and how did that work out for us?
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