"I am morally
prohibited from voting for Hillary
in the primaries because of her war votes, I simply can't side
with somebody who participated, whether willingly or unknowingly, as she claims,
in something that has been so evil."
-- Michael Moore, making no sense at all, Link
Does Michael Moore hate women?
I ask, because he gave John Kerry a pass on this.
I remember on Bill Maher's show he got down on his knees and
Nader not to run so Kerry could win in 2004 - so Kerry gets a complete
And when he says, "war votes,"
does he mean funding the war?
That would make Obama as guilty as Hillary.
So he'll give Kerry a pass and he'll give Obama a pass, ...but
Excerpt: Here are your most deeply inspiring news stories
of the month:
A flurry of pink slips fluttered over the job
sector as corporate payrolls were sliced like sour pie.
Foreclosures are skyrocketing and new home sales
across the nation are plummeting faster than
Britney Spears' serotonin levels. A nasty recession
is either creeping or flooding in, depending on
your perspective and how recently you purchased
your home and/or tried to dump your Google stock.
Exxon sucked in a staggering $11.7 billion in
a single quarter thanks largely to record-breaking
prices for a barrel of oil, which are of course
only record-breaking because, well, Bush engineered
the economy and launched a bogus war and desiccated
the American idea exactly so they would be.
"By the time the November election comes something
will have happened that makes the American people want a tough guy
in the White House and McCain and Hillary are tough guys. Obama appeals
to those who think we can rise above the fear but if we are actually in a state
of fear he will be slaughtered." -- Matt,
"Obamacans are everywhere! I have heard so
many stories of republicans walking into polling places and wanting to vote in
the Democratic Primary. When told they are not allowed they are simply leaving the
building without voting. Without voting! No McCain, No Romney. They simply walked out
because they could not vote for Obama! If he gets the nomination it will
be a landslide Obama victory in November." -- JR, Link
If you like Hillary, you believe Matt.
If you like Obama, you believe JR, but they both can't be right.
People are saying that if Obama is the nominee
that the Clinton supporters will
vote for Obama, while saying that Obama supporters
might not support Clinton.
As a Clinton supporter I'm having a hard time
warming up to Obama. Many of us
really like Hillary and Bill Clinton and we want
to go back to the days of peace and
prosperity and real solutions to real problems.
So when Obama surrogate call Bill Clinton a racist,
we resent it. When Obama says
that Hillary is in the pocket of the lobbyists,
we resent it. When we hear Obama
surrogates talking about the Clintons the way
the Republicans talk about the Clintons,
we really resent it.
John McCain is so offensive to conservatives that
Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter
have threatened to vote for Hillary. Although
those of us who love Hillary will probably
not vote McCain, it can not be assumed that we
are going to support Obama.
Many of us are very deeply offended and I'm trying
to like Obama and it's just not
happening. I would warn Obama supporters that
being anti-Clinton might result in
a Republican president.
Excerpt: DAVID SHUSTER: Bill, there's just something a
little bit unseemly to me that Caroline's
out there calling up celebrities, saying support
Obama, and she's apparently also calling
these super delegates.
BILL PRESS: Hey, she's working for her candidate.
What's unseemly about that?
During the last campaign, the Bush twins were
out working for their dad. I think it's great,
she's grown up in a political family, she's got
politics in her blood, she loves her candidate,
she thinks he'd make a great president --
SHUSTER: But doesn't it seem like Caroline's sort
of being pimped out in some way?
Excerpt: Hillary and Obama are entering the post-Feb.
5 race so close that questions have moved
from political websites into mainstream debate,
including the possibility the nominee will be
chosen by 796 party insiders known as "superdelegates."
"If this contest comes down to superdelegates,
we have more pledged (earned) delegates,
meaning that the Democratic voters have spoken,"
"And I think those superdelegates who are elected
officials, party insiders, would have to
think long and hard about how they approach the
nomination, when the people they claim
to represent have said, `Obama's our guy.'"
Donna Brazile, (D-Whiner) who is a superdelegate,
said she would quit the party
if superdelagates like herself decide this race.
So leave, already - who's asking you to stay?
CNN might miss your Obama-groveling, but nobody will miss your whining.
Now that Mitt Romney has dropped out of the Presidential
race, Hillary or Obama
will be taking on John McCain in the November
election. I voted for Obama on
Super Tuesday (he's my Senator, after all), so
call me a pony lover.
I can forgive you for that :)
Anyway, you have some great points about the Rethug
slime machine and how they
are probably salivating at the chance to rip
him to shreds if he gets the Dem nomination.
There are a couple of videos on YouTube where
Barack Obama talks about the drug war
and how it has been a failure and waste of resources.
He specifically comes out in favor
of decriminalizing marijuana possession.
Patrick in Evanston
Pat, it's my understanding Obama has flip-flopped
on the drug issue.
He was FOR decriminalizing marijuana possession
before he was against it
He was FOR doing the right thing when he was nobody,
but now that he
has a crack at real power, he's ready to lock
those druggie bastards up.
If I'm wrong, I'll apologize and print a retraction.
Excerpt: A proposal facing action by the U.S. Senate would
force National Park and National
Wildlife Refuge managers to allow more loaded,
hidden handguns in America's National
Parks and Wildlife Refuges, endangering the public
as well as wildlife.
Why are we putting hikers, campers, and families
at risk by introducing loaded, hidden
handguns into our National Parks? This proposal
is a bad idea that the Senate should reject.
I'm not sure how I feel about this.
When we go to these parks, Mrs Bart is always wanting to hike the trails.
I'd sure feel better about running into "wildlife" if I was armed.
I don't know if my Glock 40 would drop a bear or not,
but the noise would probably scare him away - wouldn't it?
Excerpt: "Asked by Kroft if he will be able to endure
attacks from "swift-boating" Republicans
who may use his race or his youthful drug use
against him, Obama replies, 'Whoever wins
this Democratic primary...they're the toughest,
baddest candidate on the block. And if I
beat Senator Clinton, then I will be more than
capable of beating the Republicans. And if I
don't, then she'll be the nominee and [race or
past drug use] will be a moot point.'"
Hmmm, Obama seems to think the GOP slime machine will play fair like
One thing's for sure: When the GOP slimes you, they don't kid around.
They made Gore a delusional serial liar.
They made Kerry a coward who stole his medals.
Imagine what they'll do to a new guy who happens to be black.
The whore media will elevate the allegation that Obama is a Muslim
to a fact.
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"Obama's entire movement is based on a Republican
echo of Clinton hatred, not any love for Obama. It's all anti-Clinton.
Why should someone like me, who loved the Clinton Presidency vote for
Obama if he keeps doing these rewritings of the most successful Presidency
we've had since Kennedy? It's like McCain running for the GOP nomination
based entirely on hatred of Reagan." -- memekiller, Link
I guess we should give Obama credit for seeing and understanding
Democrats hate the Clintons. This hatred was buried kinds deep
when it became OK, even trendy, for Democrats to hate them openly.
I don't like the idea of superdelegates either,
but I find Obama's "outrage" hollow, disgusting,
and very revealing.
He knew the rules going in. His camp has blasted
and mocked Clinton for wanting
the delegates from MI and FL seated, using just
that rationale, although it's obvious
that if they had voted for him, he'd do
exactly the same thing and his followers would
be chanting about "democracy" all the way.
Did he complain about the system up front, or
is it (as it seems)
only when he thinks the superdelegates will help
her? Easy answer.
Obama is just an old-style politician in a pretty
package (like the Kennedys were).
Even with the media on his side, he may
have trouble maintaining his facade much longer.
"For me, the choice between supporting
Barack or Hillary was the choice between supporting someone who
I know would be very good, Hillary, or supporting someone who I
know could be truly great. We shouldn't settle for anything less than
'great.' " -- Kate Michaelman, Feminist,
Sounds to me like Jack and the Beanstalk.
Jack had a perfectly good cow that would produce
for him every day,
but he traded that for some "magic beans" that could
"Clinton to this day still has 70+% percent
approval by Democrats. On the blogsphere, Clinton support about 1%, (I
guess he means bartcop.com) but if Obama wants
to win, he won't do it using Republican talking points
and propaganda. Unless, that is, folks here among the blog commentators can deliver a
majority of votes?" -- --Matthew Weaver, Link
You watch - Hillary will win and she'll appoint KOS as her West Wing
Romney said that had he stayed in the race, he
would have only been helping surrender
to terrorism. He had to withdraw to help McCain
start campaigning against Democrats.
So his staying this long was helping terrorists?
Huckabee is still helping terrorists?
Why did Mitt help terrorists as long as he did?
Why is Huck still helping terrorists?
Why do they hate America so much that they only
stop helping terrorists after they lose?
And if you quit after losing to stop helping
shouldn't there be a war that they are losing
that they should quit?
Republicans call Democrats traitors because they
the same policy positions. Such demagoguery is
Excerpt: The Clintons are going to have to get a whole
lot nastier in order to pull off what
would now be an upset win. Their recent
conduct already deeply offended many
including me. She sounds tinny to me, not
genuine. Obama is charging with all the
momentum both people wise and money in the bank
wise. He's going to have a
giant wave of a movement - something dear to the
heart of this child of the 60s-70s
- propelling him and not only "gotcha back" but
watching and pushing him to the
progressive side. I don't see that with
the Clintons AT ALL - her idiot offensive
comment about LBJ was a slap in the face of the
entire Civil Rights movement and
the legacy of Dr. King (and clearly pissed off
several of the Kennedys as well).
"Over at Andrew Sullivan's new site, "The Daily-
he couldn't resist the hypocritically cheap-shot urge to yank on the chains of some
of his readers of more moderate means. By throwing the fact that she's a millionaire
in their faces, he seems to think all us poor libruls will automatically
hate her if we haven't been convinced as of yet that she is evil incarnate. This
from a guy who believes in rich people, and especially in their having more options
in life, such as health care, than the rest of us." -- ella, Link
Why is the MSGOP ripping Hillary and giving Obama
the free pass?
It's simple - consider the neocons ...... ok,
now, it will be easier to kill the black guy candidate,
than to kill the white woman candidate. His constituency
- independants, youth, and black people.
Her constituency - well-to-do white people, mostly
women. Who can raise the most substantial
stink after the hit, and who can't?
So, let the year go on with the Hope and the lure
of real Change.
Let that feel-good feeling roll ...... the wwwwwhack!
The shock value will enhance the stun neccessary
to shove McCain into the Powerseat.
McCain's as feebleminded as W, so the neocons
get another puppet, for another round of fascist rule.
Excerpt: Strained by war, recently discharged veterans
are having a harder time finding civilian jobs
and are more likely to earn lower wages for years
due partly to employer concerns about
their mental health and overall skills, a government
study says. The Veterans Affairs report
points to continuing problems with the Bush administration's
efforts to help 4.4 million troops
who have been discharged from active duty since
The 2007 study found that 18 percent of the veterans
who sought jobs within 1-3 years of
discharge were unemployed, while one out of four
who did find jobs earned less than $21K a year.
Many had taken advantage of government programs
such as the GI Bill to boost job prospects,
but there was little evidence that education
benefits yielded higher pay or better advancement.
Bush fights to take benefits away from soldiers,
yet they still volunteer to lose limbs for his oil snatch.
Excerpt: To understand how the collapse of the nation's
real estate market is hitting borrowers
of all kinds, consider Carson Moore.
Moore, of Elkton, Ky., says he always pays more
than the minimum due on his credit cards, and
does it on time, every time. But in January,
the Bank of America bastards told him it was
nearly tripling his interest rate, to 22%.
"I don't know why they did it, but I'm not very
happy about it," says Moore, 60.
"It's not like I miss payments or anything."
The Bank of America bastards say they're raising
rates on some card accounts based on
"periodic" reviews of consumers' risk. The change,
it says, isn't directly linked to delinquencies
on mortgages and other consumer loans. But as
banks' losses mount, they're jacking up fees
and rates and tightening rules on all sorts of
consumer loans - from credit cards to auto loans
- to cushion their losses, some analysts say.
"Banks will want to make up that income somewhere,"
says Hugh Gerection of Synergistics
Research, a research firm. "They're going to
be much more aggressive. Everyone is going to
see some (price) increase unless they have perfect
I'd love to see a side by side comparison of the
I mean real world objective and verifiable data.
Names, dates, places, past occupations, awards,
major contributors, board and committee
memberships, complete and unabridged, the works.
There is so much missing information
and bullshit flying around it rivals the air
in Arkansas yesterday.
Think you can arrange it?
A project like that would take patience, time and brains.
and I'm woefully short on all three.
But if someone else wants to do it - upload it and I'll link to it.
Excerpt: The partygoers traveled to Sin City this week
- Mr. Devaney by chartered jet -
for an event that before the current credit squeeze
might have been called the Predators' Ball of this era.
This time, with mortgage securities replacing
the junk bonds of the 1980s, the gathering felt more like group therapy.
The occasion was, officially, the 5th annual conference
of the American Securitization Forum,
a celebration of the financial wizardry that
supposedly turns risky mortgages and other loans into
gilt-edged securities but, as Mr. Devaney belatedly
discovered, does not always make them safe.
Mr. Devaney, a 37-year-old money manager, lost
big on bond investments last year. This week,
in Las Vegas fashion, he said he was doubling
The four-day event at the Venetian drew more than
6,500 financial professionals from across
the country. Many came in search of ways to ride
out - or better yet, to profit from -
the mortgage mess their industry helped to create.
If a black man steals a ham so his kids can eat, he goes to prison.
When a white man steals hundred of millions, he gets to party in Vegas.
Excerpt: "We are the ones we've been waiting for," Obama
said in yet another speech on
Super-Confusing Tuesday. "We are the change that
we seek." Waiting to hear what
Obama has to say has become the most anticipated
event of any given primary night...
And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy
about the mass messianism -
"We are the ones we've been waiting for" - of
the Super Tuesday speech and the
recent turn of the Obama campaign. "This time
can be different because this campaign
for the presidency is different. It's different
not because of me. It's different because of you."
That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous:
the campaign is entirely about
Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than
focusing on any specific issue or cause - other
than an amorphous desire for change - the message
is becoming dangerously self-referential.
The Obama campaign all too often is about how
wonderful the Obama campaign is."
Dear Bartcop, I love your web-site but you
want Hillary to be the nominee so bad
that I think it is clouding your otherwise impeccable
judgment and wonderful wit.
It is unfortunate that she voted for the war
(if one can call it that).
For this reason alone, she is not worthy to become
the next President.
I'll bet you voted for Kerry in 2004.
Why did you give him a pass but not Hillary?
Is your mind so set-in-concrete that you are going
to continue to ridicule Obama
all the way until the November elections?
There are dozens if not hundreds of accusations that I've slimed
but funny - nobody ever sends in a quote to prove their point.
I wonder why?
Should Hillary get the nomination, the GOP will
say one thing over and over again.
"Hillary voted for the war too." R Reed
If you've been listening, she has an answer for that.
"My mistake was trusting
Bush. He looked me in the eye, he gave me his word that
he would allow the weapons inpectors more time - and I believed
him. So yes, the lesson learned here is 'Never trust a Republican.'
How many times do you think they'll bring that up
if she answers their charge that way every time?
Note: How come we can't just disagree?
If we back diff people, why is it me who's "clouded"
Bart- Obama won the most delegates on super tuesday.
He has the most pledged delegates.
You sure about that?
Heading into Saturday's
contests, Clinton has 840 delegates
to Obama's 831. Link
He's out raising Clinton on a massive scale ($32M-13.7M
Not only that, but a vast majority of his funds
are from small donations, unlike Clinton.
In fact, Clinton had to loan HERSELF $5 million
So when they say the Democrats are raising more
corporate and lobbyist money than the GOP,
who's getting all those lobbyist millions if
Hillary's having to borrow money?
He has raised twice as much as Clinton since super
He will certainly win DC, MD and VA, as well
as LA and WA (the next five contests)
ha ha Can you meet me at The Mirage Poker Room in Vegas
Back the nominee, bart.....it was your challenge.
By any meaningful count, Obama is the nominee.
Face the music. I'm willing to fight on
to the convention...
even though my guy won on super tuesday.
I am mystified by the Obamamania and the media
spin is very irritating.
You know the kids don't remember anything before
the Bush years
so it is easy for Obama to tar the Clintons with
everything that has
gone wrong in this country and to blur the period
he is talking about
(or maybe that's his intent).
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