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Quote of the Day

"I'd be happy to have his advice. 
  He beat me."
    -- John McCain,   Link

 No John, he slimed you - horribly.
 Was does it say that you'd welcome
 the Master of Slime to your team?

In Today's Tequila Treehouse...
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Arrow Dems Torn Apart HOT
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"There are only so many endorsements you can get from powerful establishment 
  politicians and the rich and famous before you're no longer a credible agent of change 
  (for all but the most gullible). Obama passed that number some time ago."   
     -- Michael Farris,   Link

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Subject: how we get out of this mess


Bush Family Chronicles


To fully understand the present manifestation of the Bush family and its excesses, 
one must consider its history over several generations, a difficult and painful undertaking...

Samuel Bush's Buckeye Steel made the gun barrels for Remington, which also outfitted 
the Czar's forces in Russia after contracting to supply a million rifles to Russia in 1916.

Samuel's son, Prescott Bush (R-Hitlerlover) served with the French forces during the war 
and about his heroic exploits in letters that were published. But the exploits proved to be 
fabricated, forcing Prescott to apologize. But that didn't deter him - or dim his career prospects.

Prescott was a Yale College graduate and a member of  Skull and Bones along with Averell 
Harriman, the son of his father's associate, railroad magnate E.H. Harriman. Prescott also 
married well, wooing the favorite daughter of financier George Herbert Walker.

During the 1930s, Prescott Bush was a fanatical opponent of FDR. There were rumors that 
Bush tried to encourage a military coup against Roosevelt in 1933. But the evidence - 
while intriguing - has never been conclusive.

Similar secrecy surrounded ownership and control of Harriman's Union Banking Corp., 
which Prescott Bush administered in collaboration with backers of Germany's Nazi Party.

I found this story on and it confused me.

Where was the gratuitous Hillary sliming?  
Where was the slanting of the facts? 
Where was that outrageous mind-reading crap we've come to expect?

Then I figured it out - this wasn't written by Bob Parry.
It was written by Morgan Strong, who must have hobbies other than hating Hillary. 

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Subject: you're sliming Obama


Used by permission

Democrats torn apart...


They, and the ruthlessly ambitious Debbie Dingell, want to be behind-the-scenes kingmakers. 
They want to deliver the nomination to Hillary, for the sake of their egos and their careers.

They can't be good, decent Democrats who want their candidate to win?

Is it really that simple? 
The "good" democrats want Obama and the "evil" Democrats want Hillary?

Does anyone recognize this party?

They are now fighting desperately to keep from doing the right thing.

Good and decent Democrats have to fight their urges for evil?
Does anyone recognize this party?

Michigan needs a new round of voting. Especially if you believe in 
democracy, or fairness, or are a person of color.

If only those whites-only Clintonistas would stop their evilness!!
Whites-only Clintonistas hate democracy, fairness and people of color!!

"the corrupt party hacks"
"a wholesale revolt"
"robbed of their votes"
"Hillary forces stole the nomination"  
"pound hard on the skulls of the creatures"
"they really care about far more is power, control and their own egos"
"who wanted to make a name for herself" 

I forget - which party is the party of hate?

Why can't Obama voters just prefer their guy?
Why do they turn Hillary into some baby-eating anti-Christ?

I know if I wrote a column with that much hate in it,
I'd be out of business.

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Subject: Obama's powerhouse



"Obama is the clear mathematical front-runner 
  after winning victories in the 'Potomac Primaries.' "
     -- some guy on,     Link

So HuffingtonPost is admitting Hillary has been the front-runner till now?
 Why the burst of honesty from such a whore organization? 


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Subject: Donna Brazile has a history...

Bart, Donna Brazile is a Clinton hater from 'way back'.  
She was Al Gore's Campaign Manager in 2000 and is the architect 
of the strategy that left the Big Dog out of Gore's campaign. 

It figures - that's why CNN has her speak for the Hillary camp,
which she then trashes and lists her demands to stay in the Democratic Party.
Gosh, it just wouldn't be the same without her...

Don't be surprised to find her agitating in this election to ignore Florida delegates, 
she didn't fight for Florida voters in 2000 either.  As a longtime lesbian activist (I didn't know!) 
you would think she would be pro-Woman too but I guess the Clinton name trumps even that.
 Dennis in DC  

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Obama Criticism

We deserve to get some answers.


A lot of Obamaniax got really pissed when I dared to print this.

Do you know we were in a war?

Do you not want to know what's going on in the war?

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Subject: Miss Divisive



"I thought this guy was supposed to be Kennedyesque. 
  I guarantee you JFK had no trouble picking up working-class women." 
    -- Stephen Colbert, on Obama having difficulty 'picking up working-class women',    Link

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GOP Bloggers for Obama


For the next month or so, the conservative valentines will arrive every day at Obama HQ. 
His image will be illuminated by the bipartisan aura of admiration from prominent Republican 
commentators and strategists, as they savor the promise of his victory over Hillary, long the 
object of their hatred. He may well imagine that they really like him - and surely some of 
them do, at least for now.

William Kristol wants superdelegates to do "the good deed" of pledging their ballots to him, 
George Will urges Democrats to choose him as "the party's most potentially potent nominee," 
Peggy Noonan promises that he will be "bulletproof" against Republican attack. 

Yet somehow, the Obamaniax refuse to address those questions - why?
Why can't they see the trap the GOP bastards are setting?
Worse, why can't they see it AFTER we point it out to them?

They don't want to see it, don't want to hear it - they want to pretend it's not there.
The "don't want to see it, don't want to hear it" Democrats are gambling with America's future.

Are we OK with that?

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Subject: sick to my stomach


Subject: Some Democrats sound like Republicans 

Obama supporters are making a serious mistake talking about the Clintons 
the way Republicans talk about them. The last time Democrats talked about 
the Clintons that way was 1994. 

Democrats in Congress were convinced by the news media that the Clintons were poison. 
The Democrats fell for it and distanced themselves. We all know what happened then. 
The Democrats lost Congress to the Republicans for the next 12 years. 

If Obama supporters keep this up he may win the primary, 
but he's not going to win the general election. 
When Democrats talk like Republicans, Republicans win.

Marc Perkel
San Bruno, CA.

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Swiftboating Obama has Begun

Odd - not a single comment 
on this lying bomb-thrower.

Subject: sliming Obama

Why does the Democratic party want to lose so badly? In every sense of that word? 
I wish I knew. I'm so tired of the Republicans - why aren't the rest of the Democrats? 
Why are they so willing to throw away a chance to unseat those evil, war-mongering, torturing bastards?

I can't really fault people for wanting change, but they're playing a risky game.
By making Hillary the racist enemy, aren't Blacks required to vote against her?

Why don't other Democrats want to win? 
Who really wants another four years of Republican control?

If the Obamaniax follow thru with their threat to stay home in November
we could see another four years of the crazy Bush Doctrine - in other words disaster.

You have way more strength than I do to keep swinging. I wish you the best. 
If I get another full-time job (laid off Oct. 2004), I'll damn sure donate. 

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  by Joe Wilson


Obama claims superior judgment on the war in Iraq based on one speech given as a 
state legislator in the most liberal district in Illinois at an anti-war rally in Chicago, and in 
so doing impugns the integrity of those who were part of the debate on the national scene. 
In mischaracterizing the debate on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force as a 
declaration of war, he implicitly blames Democrats for George Bush's war of choice. 
Obama's negative attack line does not conform to the facts. Nothing could be farther 
from the truth. I should know. I was among the most prominent anti-war voices at 
the time -- and never heard about or from then Illinois State Senator Obama.

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Subject: why I'm voting for BO


Who can argue with that?

Subject: Keep Swinging that Hammer

I'm starting to think that you are the last sane liberal on the web.
I will support whoever wins the Democratic nomination...but I gotta
tell you; if Obama gets it, the party that introduced the term "swiftboating" 
into our language will rip him to pieces.  

We will lose another election because of treating the election as an episode of
American Idol rather than what it is....political war with very high stakes.

Keep swinging.  
You always were a voice in the wilderness.
 Jay in Topeka

Jay, we don't know that Obama will be helpless againast the swiftboaters,
it's just that he's never been in a fight - so we have no idea if he'll survive.

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Sanity from Huffpost?
 by Erica Jong


The Hillary-Haters are in charge. They monopolize the networks, the newspapers, the talk shows
-- both radio and TV. They are crossing their legs for fear of castration. They are wearing the body 
armor our troops never got. Or got too late to matter. They are determined that a woman will not 
prove herself competent as Commander in Chief.

What's their ammunition? Oh, it's simple. They call her Mrs. Clinton, not Ms. or Senator. 
They pull out those nutcrackers in the shape of her supposed thighs. They complain about her ankles
-- too thick. They complain on Fox TV that "White women are the problem." 

Then they say she has "baggage" -- which could mean wrinkles, or her husband, or Chelsea whom 
they say she is "pimping." Then they say she never divorced Bill -- as if it's anyone's business. 
Then they moon over Obama's rhetorical style. Then they make it appear that she's a drone or a 
worker bee and has no royal jelly. Or else she has royal jelly and is queen bee. And that's her problem.

If Bill defends her, he's a pimp. If he doesn't, he's a creep. 
If Chelsea campaigns, it's cynical. If Obama trots out his girls, he's a family man. 

If Michelle attacks Hillary, it's news. 
If Hillary attacks Michelle -- well she can't because that would be racist.

Damn, can you believe your eyes?
Honesty and sanity from

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If I had time to read books, I'd order these books just to reward her honesty.
These days, how often do you see honest writing about Politics?

A shot of Chinaco Anejo for Erica Jong and a shot
of Cuervo Gold in a dirty glass for Arianna the $7M whore.

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Subject: Bravo 


Subject: Please be careful about Obama, Bart...

Bart, even if you clearly prefer Hillary (which I respect) 

What an odd request - why would I slime a Democrat?

The repuglicans will do plenty of that IF he wins the nomination, and then you'll
be frantically trying to reunite the sensible people out there around him again.

Sensible people?  We have them in the Democratic Party? :)

So, report as much good about Hillary as you want, but PLEASE don't spread
stupid crap like the Obama Criticism - you need to read this
piece in your last issue. You can support one candidate without raping the other.

Do you get that we're in a hueueueueuge civil war?
Should I not cover or comment on developments in the biggest story of the year?

Please note: I'm not saying you should spread crap about Hillary, either!
Just stick to POSITIVE  reports about the Democratic hopefuls. 
Save the hate for the sleazy Republicans, OK?

I'm going to mention the facts.
The facts are that Obama is being attacked and we have no idea if Larry Flynt's 
charges are true or not because our new front-runner is still a mystery man.
Ignoring the facts is almost always a bad idea.

What happened to "I will get behind the front runner, no matter who it is"?
Purely mathematically, Obama IS now the front runner, even if this may well
change again once Ohio and Texas vote...

According to CNN (we have to use somebody's "facts") Obama became
the front-runner for the FIRST TIME Tuesday night and, of course, 
Wednesday morning my mailbox was chock-full of "Where's your support, asshole?"

After a year of Obamaniax screaming at me for supporting the actual front-runner,
they want me to turn on a dime the second their fella finally gets a slim advantage?
Some people do not always act rationally.

Thanks for listening, and keep swinging the hammer!
- Martin

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Subject: Obamamaniac issue

The "ONLY" people I have met that "hate" Hillary are Republicans!  

Do you own a computer?
Do you own a TV?
Have you read a newspaper in 2007 and 2008?
Turn on Air America any hour of any day and witness the hate.

I am very politically active and know and speak to a lot of people 
and most are for Obama but no one viscerally hates Hillary, 
they all just like Obama better, want some new direction not found in Hillary. 

I think you're sincere, but you are totally wrong.
Christ, have you ever read before?
Do you think I'm fabricating the Demo hate quotes about Hillary?

They would all vote for her if she is the nominee and most would be pretty satisfied.  

That's not what they say - where would you get such an idea?

I just do not see this split your talking about.  

Chuck, when I link to a news story of Democrats spewing hate at Hillary,
do you think I faked the quotes, faked the links and then constructed fake
websites to back up my fabricated quotes?

You're saying there's NOT a civil war in the Democratic party right now?

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Clinton way ahead in OH and PA 


Hillary has double-digit leads over Obama in Ohio and Pennsylvania, 
according to Quinnipiac University poll released.

Clinton leads Obama 55 to 34 among likely Dem voters in Ohio, the poll found.
Among Ohio Democrats, women back Clinton 56 to 30 for Obama, 
while men back Clinton 52 to 42, the poll found.  

"Ohio is as good a demographic fit for Sen. Clinton as she will find," Peter Brown, 
an Quinnipiac University Polling Institute official, said in a statement. 
In Pennsylvania, Clinton leads Obama 52 per cent to 36 per cent.

So ...the great civil war is about to get a lot worse.
If Hillary wins this nomination we'll lost the Obama voters.

Congrats to President McCain.

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Subject: Obama


Think of the money I could make 
if I was willing to sell-out the Clintons.


"It really makes me sad to see so many people get played by the media on this. 
  If you prefer Obama, fine - but the evil, race-card-playing Clinton campaign is 
  no more real than Al Gore's claim that he invented the Internet."
   -- Paul Krugman,    Link

 Good point.

 When the right accused Gore of claiming he'd invented the Internet,
 the Left rolled their eyes and said, "How can people be so stupid?
 Why can't people with a brain just look at the damn facts?"

 But today, they believe every Clinton lie that same whore media feeds them.

 I wish they would could explain themselves.

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Subject: How to talk to republican pollsters

Last night my phone rang and a young lady asked if I was Mr. so and so. 
I replied yes and then she went on to ask if I would participate in a quick 
survey from the National Republican Party. 

I said sure! She then asked "Which Republican candidate would you like 
to see in the White House this fall?" 

I replied "NEITHER, I want to see a democrat in the White House to fix 
the mess that Bushco has done to this country."

She replied that all of this was.....hold on here it comes....CLINTON's FAULT!  

I asked for her to explain how can it be Clinton's fault? Has he been 
the secret president all these years? She stammered and then in typical
republican debate style she hung up on me!!

You thought you would like this.  Keep Hammerin!!

Larry, everything IS the fault of the Clintons. 
Turn on your TV and you'll get all the "proof" you need.

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Subject: Obama criticism 

The thing is that no one can get away with saying anything even slightly critical about Obama.  
If you do, you're either a racist or a Hillary hugger (aka treasonous).  

That's true.

I have to admit, he knows how to get a crowd fired up, and that's the name of the game, 
but I'm concerned that it's all just happy talk & fluff.  Where does he stand on the issues?  
Why has he continually voted for the war but says he's against it?  Why isn't universal 
healthcare on his agenda? (He's pro-insurance-they're big contributors).  What significant 
piece of legislation has he introduced since being in Congress? 

Greg, those are all race-baiting questions.
Why do you hate black people so much?

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"Folks, you've been played like a fiddle by people in the media who hate the Clintons. 
  They tried to take Hillary down over her clothes, her voice, her tears. When none of 
  that worked, they invented a race war.
  There are some good arguments against Hillary - Iraq, people like Mark Penn, 
  the big-money Dems in her circle. But this is Al-Gore-invented-the-Internet stuff. 
  And it's deeply depressing to see so many progressives fall for it."
    -- Paul Krugman,   Link  

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Subject: 'Jesse Jackson is supporting Obama?' 

Bart, in response to your remarks about why Blacks view Bill Clinton's comparison of 
Obama's and Jackson's campaigns as racist, Read This.

The author, Keli Goff, explains it much better than I could

RDoug, he did a super-lousy job of explaining things:

Clinton wasn't asked about Jesse Jackson's campaign. In fact, if he wanted 
to reference candidates who had "run good campaigns," won South Carolina 
and still gone on to lose the nomination he could have just as easily referenced 
Edwards. In fact, wouldn't that have made more sense considering Edwards' win 
was in 2004 not 1984? The message, subconscious or not, seemed to be this: 
"At the end of the day all black campaigns look alike, run alike and eventually 
lose alike -- so this South Carolina thing is really no big deal." 

So, the ENTIRETY of their "Clintons are racists" campaign revolves around,
"He could have just as easily said this" and "The message seemed to be this:"

Why would they kick the Clintons to the curb for a "could have" and a "seemed?"

Is that all Clinton gets for being such a good friend to Blacks that a Black writer
gave him the nickname of "Our first Black president?" 

Is loyalty dead in the Democratic party?

Memo To Barack from Bartcop:  
Watch out - these Dems will turn on you in a f-ing heartbeat!

Plus, nobody has answered the question yet.
Why is being equated with Jesse Jackson
a horrible, terrible racial thing to say?

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Subject: Bush, Clinton

Bart, you wrote:

> To me, saying "I'm tired of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton" sounds like, 

> 12 years in prison, eight years out,  then eight more years of prison
> ...and I'm so tired of living this way! 

As someone who has done time, Bart, you hit this fucking nail on the head so squarely 
that i can't believe voters can't see the correlation between Repubs = shit and disaster 
while Dems = at least a modicom of peace and prosperity for "blue collar joe".....unbelieveable!!!!

Obama says we can't have change without him.

Obama says a vote for Hillary is a vote for no change,
as tho he and Edwards weren't kidding about her being Cheney's clone.

Isn't Obama the "candidate of truth?"

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"I have to tell you, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear 
  Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg
  I mean, I don't have that too often."
    -- Chris Matthews, the biggest Obama fan in the country,   Link

 Barack, watch this queer-acting son of a bitch.
 He'll stab you in the back faster than a Democrat.

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I have no idea what this means.
If it's an insult to Obama, write to Danzinger.

Retarded Huffington Whores

 We may have a new record for slime by a retard.

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Subject: Hillary Obama quandry


Sharpton: We'll picket Dem HQ


"I firmly believe that changing the rules now and seating delegates from Florida and Michigan 
 would not only violate the Democratic Party's rules of fairness, but also would be a grave injustice."

Sharpton told The NY Whore Post, "I think the DNC is playing a dangerous game and could 
open the door here for everything from litigation to demonstration."

"This smacks of the same stuff we accused the Republicans of in Florida in 2000 . . . changing the rules." 

Al Sharpton is making threats - perfect.
It's a slur to be associated with Jesse Jackson, but Al's a prince?
It's my understanding those superdelegate rules were made in 1980.
   How is Al going to whine about "changing the rules" 28 years ago?

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Subject: Obamaniac with sense

Bart, I've been reading you since RL-LNW, and I am a big fan.

I loved the Big Dog, and I like Hillary, and I think she would be a great president.
Having said that, I've decided to support Obama.   I think the media are much more 
of the problem than the solution in American politics.

I don't buy that for a second - the media made Obama.
Where would he be without every network fawning over him?

I will support Hillary if she wins the nomination.

Cool - I'll support whoever wins, too

But continually digging at each other over minor differences only hurts us 
as a party, and I send that message to both sides of this fight.

Both sides don't need to be told that. Hillary's side has never thrown the first punch.  
She didn't mention Rezko until Obama taunted her about Wal-Mart, remember?

Hillary was the 20-point front-runner, so she had to be slimed.
She was talking about Bush when Obama started his personal attacks.
That was the only way he could get traction - and boy, he got it.
The whore media joined Team Obama and boom - the Clintons became racist dogs.

We know the Clintons are not racist and we know Obama is not a closet muslim.  
We all need to ratchet down the rhetoric.

Obama said the Clintons were racists but they never said Obama was a Muslim.
It's not the same - and if Kerry the Quitter has proof they did, he should fucking say so,
but he hasn't shown any inclination towards having the guts to do anything..

Just trying to bring things into perspective.
 Josh in Illinois

Josh, thanks for that, but you're obviously viewing this thru Obama lenses.
The truth is, this race wasn't close until Obama made it about race.

Do you think he took the lead because of his positions on the issues?
Can anybody name a position Obama has taken, besides "opposed to war?"

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Subject: Obama as VP


Subject: Adolescents for Obama

Hey Bart,  I think the rabid hatred of Hillary may be not have anything to do 
with her but have everything to do with the age of the average Obama cultist.  

They are just acting out their disdain for their parents.  This is a generation who has been told 
over and over that things aren't going to be as good for them as it was for their parents and 
they are looking for "the pony".  In this case I don't think it has as much to do with politics as it does 
with a wish for a messiah that is going to lead them to the promised land.  They don't care that 
he doesn't have a clue how to get there. They are perfectly willing to drink the Kool-Aid.  

"All Hope and No How" is enough and just like all undeveloped adolescents, they don't want 
to hear anything that interferes with what they "know".  Mean old Mother Hillary is a "fuddy duddy" 
and Obama is "cool".   We have the Democratic party being destroyed by rebellious teenagers in 
their 30's kicking and screaming and yelling, "If you don't do what I want, I'll hold my breath."  

I don't have a lot of hope that they are going to wake up to reality and realize 
that it isn't enough to want something.  There has to be a plan to make it happen.

Maybe we'll get lucky, 
 Bill in Dallas

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Randi Rhodes screams at Hillary every day for this.
How is this Hillary's fault?

Clinton & superdelegates
 Shame on her for playing by the rules


Hillary will take the nomination even if she does not win the popular vote by persuading 
enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

Clinton advisers rejected the notion that the candidate -- and the party -- would be badly 
wounded in the general election if the nominee was selected by a group of party insiders.

More horseshit.
The way I understand it, the superdelegates exist to break ties.
So if we have a tie, they are free to perform their function.

BUT, that doesn't work for Team Obama - why?
Why can't they play by the rules?

Obama backers in the media (which is pretty much every pundit on TV and radio) 
have threatened to elect McCain if Hillary wins by playing by the rules.

This is why I'm trying to end this civil war.

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Subject: Is McCain pathetic or what?

After spending years as a POW in Vietnam and supposedly tortured 
John McCain votes against a bill prohibiting torture. How pathetic is that? 

I guess there's no limit to how much a Republican is willing to sell out 
to get the Rush Limbaugh vote.

Marc Perkel
San Bruno, CA.

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Your solution is one way out, but it is not the only way.  

Prolonging this race doesn't mean the Republicans automatically win in November.  

This war has to end soon because financially, I'm operating on fumes. 
People who enjoyed seeing a Democrat fight back for 12 years now
expect me to lay down now like I'm some damn senate Democrat.

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No wonder they were so eager to start a war,

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Bush has killed more Americans than Osama.

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